Aragon, NO SPOILER
Wow. When do we start taking about the race today?
NOW!?!?
On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kachadourian kkachadourian@gmail.com wrote:
Wow. When do we start taking about the race today?
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Why not - it has been great to watch the drama unfold this season. I never
doubted MM would return to his winning ways but all the rest of the field
has entertained us too. The ride height device discussions have been
interesting too, has the system showed up on any street bike yet?
So looking forward to next year.
Frank
On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 at 10:38, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
NOW!?!?
On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kachadourian kkachadourian@gmail.com
wrote:
Wow. When do we start taking about the race today?
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We all know MM93 is a master at Aragon and I believe the low grip helped.
I’ve been watching MM93 on the Repsol machine and he was always squiggly
and a demon on the brakes,
which worked to his advantage and style. I think the Ducati doesn’t like
that behavior, hence he won both races this weekend.
The other riders aren’t up to par with MM93 when it comes to these
conditions. Basically, the machines do a lot of work, if not most rather
than the rider.
Paraphrasing MM93: “Do what the bike wants to do, not what you want it to
do”
As for the incident between Pecco and Alex,
I think it was a racing incident. Though, it is strange to see Alex
modulating his throttle during the impact (his bike was already upright,
just ploughing through) until the crash, rather than braking. Maybe he was
braking with his rear brake? I don’t know.
For sure, Pecco should have been more patient and avoided the incident, but
it was a racer instinct. Lastly, he’s the one with a lot to lose, so he
needs to ride smarter. He would’ve passed Alex anyway in the next few
corners or laps. I think MM93 smoking everyone on an older machine got to
his head.
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 20:47 Frank Smith frank56smith@gmail.com wrote:
Why not - it has been great to watch the drama unfold this season. I never
doubted MM would return to his winning ways but all the rest of the field
has entertained us too. The ride height device discussions have been
interesting too, has the system showed up on any street bike yet?
So looking forward to next year.
Frank
On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 at 10:38, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
NOW!?!?
On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kachadourian kkachadourian@gmail.com
wrote:
Wow. When do we start taking about the race today?
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Okay, it's a Spoiler now, just in case that matters,
For the most part, I thought is was a pretty boring race. It reminded me of
when, back in Rossi's heyday, it was about who was going to finish second.
I'm not a big fan of MM (mostly around his ruthlessness), but I have to
give this one to him. It was his masterful performance that made the race
boring, except for the incident.
I'm embarrassed to say it, but I agree with Lan: it was a racing incident.
From the video from above, it looks like FB had the lead, AM refused to
cede it, and attempted to pass back under FB, unsuccessfully. I was not in
either seat, so can't really judge, but, if i had to assign blame, I would
fault AM. The only real criticism I have though is towards AM's comment
that he did not see FB (which his brother repeated, just so we can have the
official pronouncement). He's a top level MotoGP rider. He should have
trained himself both to anticipate these moves (has he ever raced his
brother?) and to have enough peripheral awareness to know that FB was
there. I was amazed and very glad neither rider was injured.
I was also glad to see PA on the podium. Hopefully, his day is coming.
On Mon, 2 Sept 2024 at 05:07, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
We all know MM93 is a master at Aragon and I believe the low grip helped.
I’ve been watching MM93 on the Repsol machine and he was always squiggly
and a demon on the brakes,
which worked to his advantage and style. I think the Ducati doesn’t like
that behavior, hence he won both races this weekend.
The other riders aren’t up to par with MM93 when it comes to these
conditions. Basically, the machines do a lot of work, if not most rather
than the rider.
Paraphrasing MM93: “Do what the bike wants to do, not what you want it to
do”
As for the incident between Pecco and Alex,
I think it was a racing incident. Though, it is strange to see Alex
modulating his throttle during the impact (his bike was already upright,
just ploughing through) until the crash, rather than braking. Maybe he was
braking with his rear brake? I don’t know.
For sure, Pecco should have been more patient and avoided the incident,
but it was a racer instinct. Lastly, he’s the one with a lot to lose, so
he needs to ride smarter. He would’ve passed Alex anyway in the next few
corners or laps. I think MM93 smoking everyone on an older machine got to
his head.
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 20:47 Frank Smith frank56smith@gmail.com wrote:
Why not - it has been great to watch the drama unfold this season. I
never doubted MM would return to his winning ways but all the rest of the
field has entertained us too. The ride height device discussions have been
interesting too, has the system showed up on any street bike yet?
So looking forward to next year.
Frank
On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 at 10:38, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
NOW!?!?
On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kachadourian <
kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow. When do we start taking about the race today?
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The Aragon race is similar to other races. It’s no different when Pecco or
Jorge gets away up front., except this time it was MM93 as most have been
anticipating and no one was able to challenge him; vice versa.
I don’t believe he can repeat this next weekend, but I’m looking forward
to it.
At least with MM93, we all know that when arrives, he’s going to do
something. Some may call it crashing or crashing into someone.
I think Pecco believes his race was compromised because his grid spot was
not cleaned during both days, even though he requested it to be cleaned.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 04:59 Kevin Kachadourian kkachadourian@gmail.com
wrote:
Okay, it's a Spoiler now, just in case that matters,
For the most part, I thought is was a pretty boring race. It reminded me
of when, back in Rossi's heyday, it was about who was going to finish
second. I'm not a big fan of MM (mostly around his ruthlessness), but I
have to give this one to him. It was his masterful performance that made
the race boring, except for the incident.
I'm embarrassed to say it, but I agree with Lan: it was a racing incident.
From the video from above, it looks like FB had the lead, AM refused to
cede it, and attempted to pass back under FB, unsuccessfully. I was not in
either seat, so can't really judge, but, if i had to assign blame, I would
fault AM. The only real criticism I have though is towards AM's comment
that he did not see FB (which his brother repeated, just so we can have the
official pronouncement). He's a top level MotoGP rider. He should have
trained himself both to anticipate these moves (has he ever raced his
brother?) and to have enough peripheral awareness to know that FB was
there. I was amazed and very glad neither rider was injured.
I was also glad to see PA on the podium. Hopefully, his day is coming.
On Mon, 2 Sept 2024 at 05:07, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
We all know MM93 is a master at Aragon and I believe the low grip helped.
I’ve been watching MM93 on the Repsol machine and he was always squiggly
and a demon on the brakes,
which worked to his advantage and style. I think the Ducati doesn’t like
that behavior, hence he won both races this weekend.
The other riders aren’t up to par with MM93 when it comes to these
conditions. Basically, the machines do a lot of work, if not most rather
than the rider.
Paraphrasing MM93: “Do what the bike wants to do, not what you want it to
do”
As for the incident between Pecco and Alex,
I think it was a racing incident. Though, it is strange to see Alex
modulating his throttle during the impact (his bike was already upright,
just ploughing through) until the crash, rather than braking. Maybe he was
braking with his rear brake? I don’t know.
For sure, Pecco should have been more patient and avoided the incident,
but it was a racer instinct. Lastly, he’s the one with a lot to lose, so
he needs to ride smarter. He would’ve passed Alex anyway in the next few
corners or laps. I think MM93 smoking everyone on an older machine got to
his head.
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 20:47 Frank Smith frank56smith@gmail.com wrote:
Why not - it has been great to watch the drama unfold this season. I
never doubted MM would return to his winning ways but all the rest of the
field has entertained us too. The ride height device discussions have been
interesting too, has the system showed up on any street bike yet?
So looking forward to next year.
Frank
On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 at 10:38, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
NOW!?!?
On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kachadourian <
kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow. When do we start taking about the race today?
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From the slo-mo, both were trying to be on the same space, but it was Pecco
who actually turned onto Alex’s front wheel.
Alex had no option, but to stand his bike up to salvage the impact. Again,
it was strange to me that he didn’t brake at all while the bike was already
upright, but rather modulating the throttle as seen on video.
Acc’d to the data, his throttle was open 40%-60% during that time.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 08:54 Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
The Aragon race is similar to other races. It’s no different when Pecco or
Jorge gets away up front., except this time it was MM93 as most have been
anticipating and no one was able to challenge him; vice versa.
I don’t believe he can repeat this next weekend, but I’m looking forward
to it.
At least with MM93, we all know that when arrives, he’s going to do
something. Some may call it crashing or crashing into someone.
I think Pecco believes his race was compromised because his grid spot was
not cleaned during both days, even though he requested it to be cleaned.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 04:59 Kevin Kachadourian kkachadourian@gmail.com
wrote:
Okay, it's a Spoiler now, just in case that matters,
For the most part, I thought is was a pretty boring race. It reminded me
of when, back in Rossi's heyday, it was about who was going to finish
second. I'm not a big fan of MM (mostly around his ruthlessness), but I
have to give this one to him. It was his masterful performance that made
the race boring, except for the incident.
I'm embarrassed to say it, but I agree with Lan: it was a racing
incident. From the video from above, it looks like FB had the lead, AM
refused to cede it, and attempted to pass back under FB, unsuccessfully. I
was not in either seat, so can't really judge, but, if i had to assign
blame, I would fault AM. The only real criticism I have though is towards
AM's comment that he did not see FB (which his brother repeated, just so we
can have the official pronouncement). He's a top level MotoGP rider. He
should have trained himself both to anticipate these moves (has he ever
raced his brother?) and to have enough peripheral awareness to know that FB
was there. I was amazed and very glad neither rider was injured.
I was also glad to see PA on the podium. Hopefully, his day is coming.
On Mon, 2 Sept 2024 at 05:07, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
We all know MM93 is a master at Aragon and I believe the low grip helped.
I’ve been watching MM93 on the Repsol machine and he was always squiggly
and a demon on the brakes,
which worked to his advantage and style. I think the Ducati doesn’t like
that behavior, hence he won both races this weekend.
The other riders aren’t up to par with MM93 when it comes to these
conditions. Basically, the machines do a lot of work, if not most rather
than the rider.
Paraphrasing MM93: “Do what the bike wants to do, not what you want it
to do”
As for the incident between Pecco and Alex,
I think it was a racing incident. Though, it is strange to see Alex
modulating his throttle during the impact (his bike was already upright,
just ploughing through) until the crash, rather than braking. Maybe he was
braking with his rear brake? I don’t know.
For sure, Pecco should have been more patient and avoided the incident,
but it was a racer instinct. Lastly, he’s the one with a lot to lose, so
he needs to ride smarter. He would’ve passed Alex anyway in the next few
corners or laps. I think MM93 smoking everyone on an older machine got to
his head.
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 20:47 Frank Smith frank56smith@gmail.com wrote:
Why not - it has been great to watch the drama unfold this season. I
never doubted MM would return to his winning ways but all the rest of the
field has entertained us too. The ride height device discussions have been
interesting too, has the system showed up on any street bike yet?
So looking forward to next year.
Frank
On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 at 10:38, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
NOW!?!?
On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kachadourian <
kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow. When do we start taking about the race today?
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I'm watching the race and this just happened!
On 9/2/2024 3:11 PM, Lan Max wrote:
From the slo-mo, both were trying to be on the same space, but it was
Pecco who actually turned onto Alex’s front wheel.
Alex had no option, but to stand his bike up to salvage the impact.
Again, it was strange to me that he didn’t brake at all while the bike
was already upright, but rather modulating the throttle as seen on video.
Acc’d to the data, his throttle was open 40%-60% during that time.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 08:54 Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
The Aragon race is similar to other races. It’s no different when
Pecco or Jorge gets away up front., except this time it was MM93
as most have been anticipating and no one was able to challenge
him; vice versa.
I don’t believe he can repeat this next weekend, but I’m looking
forward to it.
At least with MM93, we all know that when arrives, he’s going to
do something. Some may call it crashing or crashing into someone.
I think Pecco believes his race was compromised because his grid
spot was not cleaned during both days, even though he requested it
to be cleaned.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 04:59 Kevin Kachadourian
<kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, it's a Spoiler now, just in case that matters,
For the most part, I thought is was a pretty boring race. It
reminded me of when, back in Rossi's heyday, it was about who
was going to finish second. I'm not a big fan of MM (mostly
around his ruthlessness), but I have to give this one to him.
It was his masterful performance that made the race boring,
except for the incident.
I'm embarrassed to say it, but I agree with Lan: it was a
racing incident. From the video from above, it looks like FB
had the lead, AM refused to cede it, and attempted to pass
back under FB, unsuccessfully. I was not in either seat, so
can't really judge, but, if i had to assign blame, I would
fault AM. The only real criticism I have though is towards
AM's comment that he did not see FB (which his brother
repeated, just so we can have the official pronouncement).
He's a top level MotoGP rider. He should have trained himself
both to anticipate these moves (has he ever raced his
brother?) and to have enough peripheral awareness to know that
FB was there. I was amazed and very glad neither rider was
injured.
I was also glad to see PA on the podium. Hopefully, his day is
coming.
On Mon, 2 Sept 2024 at 05:07, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com>
wrote:
We all know MM93 is a master at Aragon and I believe the
low grip helped.
I’ve been watching MM93 on the Repsol machine and he was
always squiggly and a demon on the brakes,
which worked to his advantage and style. I think the
Ducati doesn’t like that behavior, hence he won both races
this weekend.
The other riders aren’t up to par with MM93 when it comes
to these conditions. Basically, the machines do a lot of
work, if not most rather than the rider.
Paraphrasing MM93: “Do what the bike wants to do, not what
you want it to do”
As for the incident between Pecco and Alex,
I think it was a racing incident. Though, it is strange to
see Alex modulating his throttle during the impact (his
bike was already upright, just ploughing through) until
the crash, rather than braking. Maybe he was braking with
his rear brake? I don’t know.
For sure, Pecco should have been more patient and avoided
the incident, but it was a racer instinct. Lastly, he’s
the one with a lot to lose, so he needs to ride smarter.
He would’ve passed Alex anyway in the next few corners or
laps. I think MM93 smoking everyone on an older machine
got to his head.
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 20:47 Frank Smith
<frank56smith@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not - it has been great to watch the drama unfold
this season. I never doubted MM would return to his
winning ways but all the rest of the field has
entertained us too. The ride height device discussions
have been interesting too, has the system showed up on
any street bike yet?
So looking forward to next year.
Frank
On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 at 10:38, Tony Pagliaroli
<ajpags@gmail.com> wrote:
NOW!?!?
On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kachadourian
<kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow. When do we start taking about the race today?
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So has this been ruled a racing incident then? AM's head was looking
well into the exit of the turn, and at that lean angle was essentially
blocked by the tank cover as well as his arm, not to mention helmet
peripheral view constraints. I can easily understand that he did not
see Pecco (this is less evident from overhead shot than straight-on).
And can equally understand Pecco's decision and assumption that he would
clear AM before the apex. AM seemed to speed up at an odd spot before
the turn entry.
Now, should AM have anticipated Pecco's challenge of the corner - sure.
But its not a racer's job to worry about what is (or is perceived to be)
behind you. I think it was Jason Pridmore (or his dad Reg) who said in
a track class I attended that you can't ride your bike and someone
else's bike at the same time - you can only focus on what you're doing
and what's in front of you and forget trying to second-guess anybody
else.
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Sent: 9/2/2024 6:11:07 AM
Subject: [Ducati] Re: Aragon, NO SPOILER
From the slo-mo, both were trying to be on the same space, but it was
Pecco who actually turned onto Alex’s front wheel.
Alex had no option, but to stand his bike up to salvage the impact.
Again, it was strange to me that he didn’t brake at all while the bike
was already upright, but rather modulating the throttle as seen on
video.
Acc’d to the data, his throttle was open 40%-60% during that time.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 08:54 Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
The Aragon race is similar to other races. It’s no different when
Pecco or Jorge gets away up front., except this time it was MM93 as
most have been anticipating and no one was able to challenge him; vice
versa.
I don’t believe he can repeat this next weekend, but I’m looking
forward to it.
At least with MM93, we all know that when arrives, he’s going to do
something. Some may call it crashing or crashing into someone.
I think Pecco believes his race was compromised because his grid spot
was not cleaned during both days, even though he requested it to be
cleaned.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 04:59 Kevin Kachadourian
kkachadourian@gmail.com wrote:
Okay, it's a Spoiler now, just in case that matters,
For the most part, I thought is was a pretty boring race. It reminded
me of when, back in Rossi's heyday, it was about who was going to
finish second. I'm not a big fan of MM (mostly around his
ruthlessness), but I have to give this one to him. It was his
masterful performance that made the race boring, except for the
incident.
I'm embarrassed to say it, but I agree with Lan: it was a racing
incident. From the video from above, it looks like FB had the lead,
AM refused to cede it, and attempted to pass back under FB,
unsuccessfully. I was not in either seat, so can't really judge, but,
if i had to assign blame, I would fault AM. The only real criticism I
have though is towards AM's comment that he did not see FB (which his
brother repeated, just so we can have the official pronouncement).
He's a top level MotoGP rider. He should have trained himself both to
anticipate these moves (has he ever raced his brother?) and to have
enough peripheral awareness to know that FB was there. I was amazed
and very glad neither rider was injured.
I was also glad to see PA on the podium. Hopefully, his day is
coming.
On Mon, 2 Sept 2024 at 05:07, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
We all know MM93 is a master at Aragon and I believe the low grip
helped.
I’ve been watching MM93 on the Repsol machine and he was always
squiggly and a demon on the brakes,
which worked to his advantage and style. I think the Ducati doesn’t
like that behavior, hence he won both races this weekend.
The other riders aren’t up to par with MM93 when it comes to these
conditions. Basically, the machines do a lot of work, if not most
rather than the rider.
Paraphrasing MM93: “Do what the bike wants to do, not what you want
it to do”
As for the incident between Pecco and Alex,
I think it was a racing incident. Though, it is strange to see Alex
modulating his throttle during the impact (his bike was already
upright, just ploughing through) until the crash, rather than
braking. Maybe he was braking with his rear brake? I don’t know.
For sure, Pecco should have been more patient and avoided the
incident, but it was a racer instinct. Lastly, he’s the one with a
lot to lose, so he needs to ride smarter. He would’ve passed Alex
anyway in the next few corners or laps. I think MM93 smoking
everyone on an older machine got to his head.
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 20:47 Frank Smith frank56smith@gmail.com
wrote:
Why not - it has been great to watch the drama unfold this season.
I never doubted MM would return to his winning ways but all the
rest of the field has entertained us too. The ride height device
discussions have been interesting too, has the system showed up on
any street bike yet?
So looking forward to next year.
Frank
On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 at 10:38, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com
wrote:
NOW!?!?
On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kachadourian
kkachadourian@gmail.com wrote:
Wow. When do we start taking about the race today?
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Yes. Racing incident.
They both played “chicken” both lost, and mostly Pecco as he’s a title
contender.
He should have waited for a better pass; this one was way too risky. —
there were 5-6 laps left I believe.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 12:06 sean t sftompkins@gmail.com wrote:
So has this been ruled a racing incident then? AM's head was looking well
into the exit of the turn, and at that lean angle was essentially blocked
by the tank cover as well as his arm, not to mention helmet peripheral view
constraints. I can easily understand that he did not see Pecco (this is
less evident from overhead shot than straight-on). And can equally
understand Pecco's decision and assumption that he would clear AM before
the apex. AM seemed to speed up at an odd spot before the turn entry.
Now, should AM have anticipated Pecco's challenge of the corner - sure.
But its not a racer's job to worry about what is (or is perceived to be)
behind you. I think it was Jason Pridmore (or his dad Reg) who said in a
track class I attended that you can't ride your bike and someone else's
bike at the same time - you can only focus on what you're doing and what's
in front of you and forget trying to second-guess anybody else.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Lan Max" nolanmaxxx@gmail.com
To: "Ducati Owners Group" ducati@list.ducati.net
Sent: 9/2/2024 6:11:07 AM
Subject: [Ducati] Re: Aragon, NO SPOILER
From the slo-mo, both were trying to be on the same space, but it was
Pecco who actually turned onto Alex’s front wheel.
Alex had no option, but to stand his bike up to salvage the impact. Again,
it was strange to me that he didn’t brake at all while the bike was already
upright, but rather modulating the throttle as seen on video.
Acc’d to the data, his throttle was open 40%-60% during that time.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 08:54 Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
The Aragon race is similar to other races. It’s no different when Pecco
or Jorge gets away up front., except this time it was MM93 as most have
been anticipating and no one was able to challenge him; vice versa.
I don’t believe he can repeat this next weekend, but I’m looking forward
to it.
At least with MM93, we all know that when arrives, he’s going to do
something. Some may call it crashing or crashing into someone.
I think Pecco believes his race was compromised because his grid spot was
not cleaned during both days, even though he requested it to be cleaned.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 04:59 Kevin Kachadourian kkachadourian@gmail.com
wrote:
Okay, it's a Spoiler now, just in case that matters,
For the most part, I thought is was a pretty boring race. It reminded me
of when, back in Rossi's heyday, it was about who was going to finish
second. I'm not a big fan of MM (mostly around his ruthlessness), but I
have to give this one to him. It was his masterful performance that made
the race boring, except for the incident.
I'm embarrassed to say it, but I agree with Lan: it was a racing
incident. From the video from above, it looks like FB had the lead, AM
refused to cede it, and attempted to pass back under FB, unsuccessfully. I
was not in either seat, so can't really judge, but, if i had to assign
blame, I would fault AM. The only real criticism I have though is towards
AM's comment that he did not see FB (which his brother repeated, just so we
can have the official pronouncement). He's a top level MotoGP rider. He
should have trained himself both to anticipate these moves (has he ever
raced his brother?) and to have enough peripheral awareness to know that FB
was there. I was amazed and very glad neither rider was injured.
I was also glad to see PA on the podium. Hopefully, his day is coming.
On Mon, 2 Sept 2024 at 05:07, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
We all know MM93 is a master at Aragon and I believe the low grip
helped.
I’ve been watching MM93 on the Repsol machine and he was always
squiggly and a demon on the brakes,
which worked to his advantage and style. I think the Ducati doesn’t
like that behavior, hence he won both races this weekend.
The other riders aren’t up to par with MM93 when it comes to these
conditions. Basically, the machines do a lot of work, if not most rather
than the rider.
Paraphrasing MM93: “Do what the bike wants to do, not what you want it
to do”
As for the incident between Pecco and Alex,
I think it was a racing incident. Though, it is strange to see Alex
modulating his throttle during the impact (his bike was already upright,
just ploughing through) until the crash, rather than braking. Maybe he was
braking with his rear brake? I don’t know.
For sure, Pecco should have been more patient and avoided the incident,
but it was a racer instinct. Lastly, he’s the one with a lot to lose, so
he needs to ride smarter. He would’ve passed Alex anyway in the next few
corners or laps. I think MM93 smoking everyone on an older machine got to
his head.
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 20:47 Frank Smith frank56smith@gmail.com
wrote:
Why not - it has been great to watch the drama unfold this season. I
never doubted MM would return to his winning ways but all the rest of the
field has entertained us too. The ride height device discussions have been
interesting too, has the system showed up on any street bike yet?
So looking forward to next year.
Frank
On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 at 10:38, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
NOW!?!?
On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kachadourian <
kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow. When do we start taking about the race today?
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