On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 12:25:53 PM EDT, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote:   

Pecco had the momentum and was pulling away from Marquez after he overshot the turn. I've never seen a rider let another rider go back in front after they've gone off line, especially when the other rider has a clear advantage On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 12:25:53 PM EDT, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: Yes. Racing incident. They both played “chicken” both lost, and mostly Pecco as he’s a title contender.  He should have waited for a better pass; this one was way too risky. — there were 5-6 laps left I believe. On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 12:06 sean t <sftompkins@gmail.com> wrote: So has this been ruled a racing incident then?  AM's head was looking well into the exit of the turn, and at that lean angle was essentially blocked by the tank cover as well as his arm, not to mention helmet peripheral view constraints.  I can easily understand that he did not see Pecco (this is less evident from overhead shot than straight-on).  And can equally understand Pecco's decision and assumption that he would clear AM before the apex.  AM seemed to speed up at an odd spot before the turn entry. Now, should AM have anticipated Pecco's challenge of the corner - sure.  But its not a racer's job to worry about what is (or is perceived to be) behind you.  I think it was Jason Pridmore (or his dad Reg) who said in a track class I attended that you can't ride your bike and someone else's bike at the same time - you can only focus on what you're doing and what's in front of you and forget trying to second-guess anybody else. ------ Original Message ------From: "Lan Max" <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com>To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati@list.ducati.net>Sent: 9/2/2024 6:11:07 AMSubject: [Ducati] Re: Aragon, NO SPOILER From the slo-mo, both were trying to be on the same space, but it was Pecco who actually turned onto Alex’s front wheel. Alex had no option, but to stand his bike up to salvage the impact. Again, it was strange to me that he didn’t brake at all while the bike was already upright, but rather modulating the throttle as seen on video. Acc’d to the data, his throttle was open 40%-60% during that time. On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 08:54 Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: The Aragon race is similar to other races. It’s no different when Pecco or Jorge gets away up front., except this time it was MM93 as most have been anticipating and no one was able to challenge him; vice versa.  I don’t believe he can repeat this next weekend, but I’m looking forward to it. At least with MM93, we all know that when arrives, he’s going to do something. Some may call it crashing or crashing into someone.  I think Pecco believes his race was compromised because his grid spot was not cleaned during both days, even though he requested it to be cleaned.  On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 04:59 Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: Okay, it's a Spoiler now, just in case that matters, For the most part, I thought is was a pretty boring race. It reminded me of when, back in Rossi's heyday, it was about who was going to finish second. I'm not a big fan of MM (mostly around his ruthlessness), but I have to give this one to him. It was his masterful performance that made the race boring, except for the incident. I'm embarrassed to say it, but I agree with Lan: it was a racing incident. From the video from above, it looks like FB had the lead, AM refused to cede it, and attempted to pass back under FB, unsuccessfully. I was not in either seat, so can't really judge, but, if i had to assign blame, I would fault AM. The only real criticism I have though is towards AM's comment that he did not see FB (which his brother repeated, just so we can have the official pronouncement). He's a top level MotoGP rider. He should have trained himself both to anticipate these moves (has he ever raced his brother?) and to have enough peripheral awareness to know that FB was there. I was amazed and very glad neither rider was injured. I was also glad to see PA on the podium. Hopefully, his day is coming. On Mon, 2 Sept 2024 at 05:07, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: We all know MM93 is a master at Aragon and I believe the low grip helped. I’ve been watching MM93 on the Repsol machine and he was always squiggly and a demon on the brakes,which worked to his advantage and style. I think the Ducati doesn’t like that behavior, hence he won both races this weekend. The other riders aren’t up to par with MM93 when it comes to these conditions. Basically, the machines do a lot of work, if not most rather than the rider.  Paraphrasing MM93: “Do what the bike wants to do, not what you want it to do”  As for the incident between Pecco and Alex, I think it was a racing incident. Though, it is strange to see Alex modulating his throttle during the impact (his bike was already upright, just ploughing through) until the crash, rather than braking. Maybe he was braking with his rear brake? I don’t know.  For sure, Pecco should have been more patient and avoided the incident, but it was a racer instinct.  Lastly,  he’s the one with a lot to lose, so he needs to ride smarter. He would’ve passed Alex anyway in the next few corners or laps.  I think MM93 smoking everyone on an older machine got to his head.  On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 20:47 Frank Smith <frank56smith@gmail.com> wrote: Why not - it has been great to watch the drama unfold this season. I never doubted MM would return to his winning ways but all the rest of the field has entertained us too. The ride height device discussions have been interesting too, has the system showed up on any street bike yet? So looking forward to next year. Frank On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 at 10:38, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: NOW!?!? > On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: > >  > Wow. 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Agreed. MotoMatters wrote that Pecco still hasn't learned patience, which is a vital skill for a championship level rider. Let the high risk pass, and take the safer one in the next couple of laps. I am, as always, looking forward to the rest of this season, especially my annual trip to Valencia for the last race. Then, let's see how MM and FB do as teammates. With all the hype, it's hard to really know. But it should be interesting. I'm only hoping the racing gets better than Aragon was. Except for a very few moments and one big incident, I was looking for the fast forward button for a lot of it. On Tue, 3 Sept 2024 at 18:26, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes. Racing incident. > > They both played “chicken” both lost, and mostly Pecco as he’s a title > contender. > He should have waited for a better pass; this one was way too risky. — > there were 5-6 laps left I believe. > > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 12:06 sean t <sftompkins@gmail.com> wrote: > >> So has this been ruled a racing incident then? AM's head was looking >> well into the exit of the turn, and at that lean angle was essentially >> blocked by the tank cover as well as his arm, not to mention helmet >> peripheral view constraints. I can easily understand that he did not see >> Pecco (this is less evident from overhead shot than straight-on). And can >> equally understand Pecco's decision and assumption that he would clear AM >> before the apex. AM seemed to speed up at an odd spot before the turn >> entry. >> Now, should AM have anticipated Pecco's challenge of the corner - sure. >> But its not a racer's job to worry about what is (or is perceived to be) >> behind you. I think it was Jason Pridmore (or his dad Reg) who said in a >> track class I attended that you can't ride your bike and someone else's >> bike at the same time - you can only focus on what you're doing and what's >> in front of you and forget trying to second-guess anybody else. >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Lan Max" <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> >> To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati@list.ducati.net> >> Sent: 9/2/2024 6:11:07 AM >> Subject: [Ducati] Re: Aragon, NO SPOILER >> >> >> From the slo-mo, both were trying to be on the same space, but it was >> Pecco who actually turned onto Alex’s front wheel. >> Alex had no option, but to stand his bike up to salvage the impact. >> Again, it was strange to me that he didn’t brake at all while the bike was >> already upright, but rather modulating the throttle as seen on video. >> Acc’d to the data, his throttle was open 40%-60% during that time. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 08:54 Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The Aragon race is similar to other races. It’s no different when Pecco >>> or Jorge gets away up front., except this time it was MM93 as most have >>> been anticipating and no one was able to challenge him; vice versa. >>> I don’t believe he can repeat this next weekend, but I’m looking >>> forward to it. >>> >>> At least with MM93, we all know that when arrives, he’s going to do >>> something. Some may call it crashing or crashing into someone. >>> >>> I think Pecco believes his race was compromised because his grid spot >>> was not cleaned during both days, even though he requested it to be >>> cleaned. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 04:59 Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Okay, it's a Spoiler now, just in case that matters, >>>> >>>> For the most part, I thought is was a pretty boring race. It reminded >>>> me of when, back in Rossi's heyday, it was about who was going to finish >>>> second. I'm not a big fan of MM (mostly around his ruthlessness), but I >>>> have to give this one to him. It was his masterful performance that made >>>> the race boring, except for the incident. >>>> >>>> I'm embarrassed to say it, but I agree with Lan: it was a racing >>>> incident. From the video from above, it looks like FB had the lead, AM >>>> refused to cede it, and attempted to pass back under FB, unsuccessfully. I >>>> was not in either seat, so can't really judge, but, if i had to assign >>>> blame, I would fault AM. The only real criticism I have though is towards >>>> AM's comment that he did not see FB (which his brother repeated, just so we >>>> can have the official pronouncement). He's a top level MotoGP rider. He >>>> should have trained himself both to anticipate these moves (has he ever >>>> raced his brother?) and to have enough peripheral awareness to know that FB >>>> was there. I was amazed and very glad neither rider was injured. >>>> >>>> I was also glad to see PA on the podium. Hopefully, his day is coming. >>>> >>>> On Mon, 2 Sept 2024 at 05:07, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We all know MM93 is a master at Aragon and I believe the low grip >>>>> helped. >>>>> I’ve been watching MM93 on the Repsol machine and he was always >>>>> squiggly and a demon on the brakes, >>>>> which worked to his advantage and style. I think the Ducati doesn’t >>>>> like that behavior, hence he won both races this weekend. >>>>> >>>>> The other riders aren’t up to par with MM93 when it comes to these >>>>> conditions. Basically, the machines do a lot of work, if not most rather >>>>> than the rider. >>>>> >>>>> Paraphrasing MM93: “Do what the bike wants to do, not what you want it >>>>> to do” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As for the incident between Pecco and Alex, >>>>> I think it was a racing incident. Though, it is strange to see Alex >>>>> modulating his throttle during the impact (his bike was already upright, >>>>> just ploughing through) until the crash, rather than braking. Maybe he was >>>>> braking with his rear brake? I don’t know. >>>>> >>>>> For sure, Pecco should have been more patient and avoided the >>>>> incident, but it was a racer instinct. Lastly, he’s the one with a lot to >>>>> lose, so he needs to ride smarter. He would’ve passed Alex anyway in the >>>>> next few corners or laps. I think MM93 smoking everyone on an older >>>>> machine got to his head. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 20:47 Frank Smith <frank56smith@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Why not - it has been great to watch the drama unfold this season. I >>>>>> never doubted MM would return to his winning ways but all the rest of the >>>>>> field has entertained us too. The ride height device discussions have been >>>>>> interesting too, has the system showed up on any street bike yet? >>>>>> >>>>>> So looking forward to next year. >>>>>> >>>>>> Frank >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 at 10:38, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> NOW!?!? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kachadourian < >>>>>>> kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >  >>>>>>> > Wow. When do we start taking about the race today? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>>> > http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>>>> > and >>>>>>> > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>>>> > _____________________ >>>>>>> > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>>> > Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>>> and >>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>> and >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>> _____________________ >>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>> and >>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>> _____________________ >>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>> >>> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >> Mailto: %(user_address)s > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s

I just realized, Pecco “tried” crashing onto AM73 from the grid in both races, but failed. So he finally did it at Turn 13! Kidding.. 😜 Crazy coincidences though. Pecco indeed almost hit Alex twice during the start of the Sprint and GP race. Then, they ultimately collided at Turn 13. Lucky number. 😳😬 On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 13:02 Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. MotoMatters wrote that Pecco still hasn't learned patience, which > is a vital skill for a championship level rider. Let the high risk pass, > and take the safer one in the next couple of laps. > > I am, as always, looking forward to the rest of this season, especially my > annual trip to Valencia for the last race. Then, let's see how MM and FB do > as teammates. With all the hype, it's hard to really know. But it should be > interesting. I'm only hoping the racing gets better than Aragon was. Except > for a very few moments and one big incident, I was looking for the fast > forward button for a lot of it. > > On Tue, 3 Sept 2024 at 18:26, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes. Racing incident. >> >> They both played “chicken” both lost, and mostly Pecco as he’s a title >> contender. >> He should have waited for a better pass; this one was way too risky. — >> there were 5-6 laps left I believe. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 12:06 sean t <sftompkins@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> So has this been ruled a racing incident then? AM's head was looking >>> well into the exit of the turn, and at that lean angle was essentially >>> blocked by the tank cover as well as his arm, not to mention helmet >>> peripheral view constraints. I can easily understand that he did not see >>> Pecco (this is less evident from overhead shot than straight-on). And can >>> equally understand Pecco's decision and assumption that he would clear AM >>> before the apex. AM seemed to speed up at an odd spot before the turn >>> entry. >>> Now, should AM have anticipated Pecco's challenge of the corner - sure. >>> But its not a racer's job to worry about what is (or is perceived to be) >>> behind you. I think it was Jason Pridmore (or his dad Reg) who said in a >>> track class I attended that you can't ride your bike and someone else's >>> bike at the same time - you can only focus on what you're doing and what's >>> in front of you and forget trying to second-guess anybody else. >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Lan Max" <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> >>> To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati@list.ducati.net> >>> Sent: 9/2/2024 6:11:07 AM >>> Subject: [Ducati] Re: Aragon, NO SPOILER >>> >>> >>> From the slo-mo, both were trying to be on the same space, but it was >>> Pecco who actually turned onto Alex’s front wheel. >>> Alex had no option, but to stand his bike up to salvage the impact. >>> Again, it was strange to me that he didn’t brake at all while the bike was >>> already upright, but rather modulating the throttle as seen on video. >>> Acc’d to the data, his throttle was open 40%-60% during that time. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 08:54 Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The Aragon race is similar to other races. It’s no different when Pecco >>>> or Jorge gets away up front., except this time it was MM93 as most have >>>> been anticipating and no one was able to challenge him; vice versa. >>>> I don’t believe he can repeat this next weekend, but I’m looking >>>> forward to it. >>>> >>>> At least with MM93, we all know that when arrives, he’s going to do >>>> something. Some may call it crashing or crashing into someone. >>>> >>>> I think Pecco believes his race was compromised because his grid spot >>>> was not cleaned during both days, even though he requested it to be >>>> cleaned. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 04:59 Kevin Kachadourian < >>>> kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Okay, it's a Spoiler now, just in case that matters, >>>>> >>>>> For the most part, I thought is was a pretty boring race. It reminded >>>>> me of when, back in Rossi's heyday, it was about who was going to finish >>>>> second. I'm not a big fan of MM (mostly around his ruthlessness), but I >>>>> have to give this one to him. It was his masterful performance that made >>>>> the race boring, except for the incident. >>>>> >>>>> I'm embarrassed to say it, but I agree with Lan: it was a racing >>>>> incident. From the video from above, it looks like FB had the lead, AM >>>>> refused to cede it, and attempted to pass back under FB, unsuccessfully. I >>>>> was not in either seat, so can't really judge, but, if i had to assign >>>>> blame, I would fault AM. The only real criticism I have though is towards >>>>> AM's comment that he did not see FB (which his brother repeated, just so we >>>>> can have the official pronouncement). He's a top level MotoGP rider. He >>>>> should have trained himself both to anticipate these moves (has he ever >>>>> raced his brother?) and to have enough peripheral awareness to know that FB >>>>> was there. I was amazed and very glad neither rider was injured. >>>>> >>>>> I was also glad to see PA on the podium. Hopefully, his day is coming. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Sept 2024 at 05:07, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We all know MM93 is a master at Aragon and I believe the low grip >>>>>> helped. >>>>>> I’ve been watching MM93 on the Repsol machine and he was always >>>>>> squiggly and a demon on the brakes, >>>>>> which worked to his advantage and style. I think the Ducati doesn’t >>>>>> like that behavior, hence he won both races this weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>> The other riders aren’t up to par with MM93 when it comes to these >>>>>> conditions. Basically, the machines do a lot of work, if not most rather >>>>>> than the rider. >>>>>> >>>>>> Paraphrasing MM93: “Do what the bike wants to do, not what you want >>>>>> it to do” >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As for the incident between Pecco and Alex, >>>>>> I think it was a racing incident. Though, it is strange to see Alex >>>>>> modulating his throttle during the impact (his bike was already upright, >>>>>> just ploughing through) until the crash, rather than braking. Maybe he was >>>>>> braking with his rear brake? I don’t know. >>>>>> >>>>>> For sure, Pecco should have been more patient and avoided the >>>>>> incident, but it was a racer instinct. Lastly, he’s the one with a lot to >>>>>> lose, so he needs to ride smarter. He would’ve passed Alex anyway in the >>>>>> next few corners or laps. I think MM93 smoking everyone on an older >>>>>> machine got to his head. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 20:47 Frank Smith <frank56smith@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why not - it has been great to watch the drama unfold this season. I >>>>>>> never doubted MM would return to his winning ways but all the rest of the >>>>>>> field has entertained us too. The ride height device discussions have been >>>>>>> interesting too, has the system showed up on any street bike yet? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So looking forward to next year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 at 10:38, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> NOW!?!? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kachadourian < >>>>>>>> kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >  >>>>>>>> > Wow. When do we start taking about the race today? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>>>> > http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>>>>> > and >>>>>>>> > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>>>>> > _____________________ >>>>>>>> > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>>>> > Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>>> and >>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>> and >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>> _____________________ >>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>> and >>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>> _____________________ >>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >> Mailto: %(user_address)s > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s

…pretty sure MotoGp content admin has some hidden context on this post :D 😂 Enea overtaking 2 riders on the outside after FQ ran wide and pulled back inside the line. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/9BbWA1YfQtER32QH/?mibextid=WC7FNe On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 00:08 Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > > I just realized, Pecco “tried” crashing onto AM73 from the grid in both > races, but failed. So he finally did it at Turn 13! > Kidding.. 😜 > > Crazy coincidences though. Pecco indeed almost hit Alex twice during the > start of the Sprint and GP race. > Then, they ultimately collided at Turn 13. Lucky number. > > 😳😬 > > > On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 13:02 Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Agreed. MotoMatters wrote that Pecco still hasn't learned patience, which >> is a vital skill for a championship level rider. Let the high risk pass, >> and take the safer one in the next couple of laps. >> >> I am, as always, looking forward to the rest of this season, especially >> my annual trip to Valencia for the last race. Then, let's see how MM and FB >> do as teammates. With all the hype, it's hard to really know. But it should >> be interesting. I'm only hoping the racing gets better than Aragon was. >> Except for a very few moments and one big incident, I was looking for the >> fast forward button for a lot of it. >> >> On Tue, 3 Sept 2024 at 18:26, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Yes. Racing incident. >>> >>> They both played “chicken” both lost, and mostly Pecco as he’s a title >>> contender. >>> He should have waited for a better pass; this one was way too risky. — >>> there were 5-6 laps left I believe. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 12:06 sean t <sftompkins@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> So has this been ruled a racing incident then? AM's head was looking >>>> well into the exit of the turn, and at that lean angle was essentially >>>> blocked by the tank cover as well as his arm, not to mention helmet >>>> peripheral view constraints. I can easily understand that he did not see >>>> Pecco (this is less evident from overhead shot than straight-on). And can >>>> equally understand Pecco's decision and assumption that he would clear AM >>>> before the apex. AM seemed to speed up at an odd spot before the turn >>>> entry. >>>> Now, should AM have anticipated Pecco's challenge of the corner - >>>> sure. But its not a racer's job to worry about what is (or is perceived to >>>> be) behind you. I think it was Jason Pridmore (or his dad Reg) who said in >>>> a track class I attended that you can't ride your bike and someone else's >>>> bike at the same time - you can only focus on what you're doing and what's >>>> in front of you and forget trying to second-guess anybody else. >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Lan Max" <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> >>>> To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati@list.ducati.net> >>>> Sent: 9/2/2024 6:11:07 AM >>>> Subject: [Ducati] Re: Aragon, NO SPOILER >>>> >>>> >>>> From the slo-mo, both were trying to be on the same space, but it was >>>> Pecco who actually turned onto Alex’s front wheel. >>>> Alex had no option, but to stand his bike up to salvage the impact. >>>> Again, it was strange to me that he didn’t brake at all while the bike was >>>> already upright, but rather modulating the throttle as seen on video. >>>> Acc’d to the data, his throttle was open 40%-60% during that time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 08:54 Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Aragon race is similar to other races. It’s no different when >>>>> Pecco or Jorge gets away up front., except this time it was MM93 as most >>>>> have been anticipating and no one was able to challenge him; vice versa. >>>>> I don’t believe he can repeat this next weekend, but I’m looking >>>>> forward to it. >>>>> >>>>> At least with MM93, we all know that when arrives, he’s going to do >>>>> something. Some may call it crashing or crashing into someone. >>>>> >>>>> I think Pecco believes his race was compromised because his grid spot >>>>> was not cleaned during both days, even though he requested it to be >>>>> cleaned. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 04:59 Kevin Kachadourian < >>>>> kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Okay, it's a Spoiler now, just in case that matters, >>>>>> >>>>>> For the most part, I thought is was a pretty boring race. It reminded >>>>>> me of when, back in Rossi's heyday, it was about who was going to finish >>>>>> second. I'm not a big fan of MM (mostly around his ruthlessness), but I >>>>>> have to give this one to him. It was his masterful performance that made >>>>>> the race boring, except for the incident. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm embarrassed to say it, but I agree with Lan: it was a racing >>>>>> incident. From the video from above, it looks like FB had the lead, AM >>>>>> refused to cede it, and attempted to pass back under FB, unsuccessfully. I >>>>>> was not in either seat, so can't really judge, but, if i had to assign >>>>>> blame, I would fault AM. The only real criticism I have though is towards >>>>>> AM's comment that he did not see FB (which his brother repeated, just so we >>>>>> can have the official pronouncement). He's a top level MotoGP rider. He >>>>>> should have trained himself both to anticipate these moves (has he ever >>>>>> raced his brother?) and to have enough peripheral awareness to know that FB >>>>>> was there. I was amazed and very glad neither rider was injured. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was also glad to see PA on the podium. Hopefully, his day is coming. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 2 Sept 2024 at 05:07, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We all know MM93 is a master at Aragon and I believe the low grip >>>>>>> helped. >>>>>>> I’ve been watching MM93 on the Repsol machine and he was always >>>>>>> squiggly and a demon on the brakes, >>>>>>> which worked to his advantage and style. I think the Ducati doesn’t >>>>>>> like that behavior, hence he won both races this weekend. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The other riders aren’t up to par with MM93 when it comes to these >>>>>>> conditions. Basically, the machines do a lot of work, if not most rather >>>>>>> than the rider. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paraphrasing MM93: “Do what the bike wants to do, not what you want >>>>>>> it to do” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for the incident between Pecco and Alex, >>>>>>> I think it was a racing incident. Though, it is strange to see Alex >>>>>>> modulating his throttle during the impact (his bike was already upright, >>>>>>> just ploughing through) until the crash, rather than braking. Maybe he was >>>>>>> braking with his rear brake? I don’t know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For sure, Pecco should have been more patient and avoided the >>>>>>> incident, but it was a racer instinct. Lastly, he’s the one with a lot to >>>>>>> lose, so he needs to ride smarter. He would’ve passed Alex anyway in the >>>>>>> next few corners or laps. I think MM93 smoking everyone on an older >>>>>>> machine got to his head. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 20:47 Frank Smith <frank56smith@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why not - it has been great to watch the drama unfold this season. >>>>>>>> I never doubted MM would return to his winning ways but all the rest of the >>>>>>>> field has entertained us too. The ride height device discussions have been >>>>>>>> interesting too, has the system showed up on any street bike yet? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So looking forward to next year. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 at 10:38, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> NOW!?!? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kachadourian < >>>>>>>>> kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >  >>>>>>>>> > Wow. 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