Re: NDC: pineapple on a pizza?
While I pretty much agree with Jim..and the others, that PINEAPPLE just doesn’t belong on pizza, I think it’s also not at all TRADITIONAL.
Now, anchovies are a different matter.
They cone primarily from California coast and Mediterranean…Greece and Italy.
I live outside of DC and used to have to go to great lengths to get fresh ones..not the packed in brine nasties.
However, now, I can’t get them fresh, unless I buy a 5 gallon bucket full…and even those, I’m not sure about. It’s from a restaurant supply house, so one must have a business license to order/purchase.
I’ve had to settle for a source of frozen, by the pound, but not pack in brine…but the place does have great and white anchovies.
The brine/salt is what ruins them.
Anchovies are traditional and may be eaten with aplomb…from a plate..or a bowl…on eggs…in a box, with a fox….
Oh, wait…I got off track.
Anyway….ok…so far..pineapple ain’t an Italian thing…at least for pizza.
I know we have at least one full Italian on this list…likely more.
Gianni Zanini…waiting to hear him weigh in.
Thanks for the responses.
I’ll print them out and use them in my next argument.
:-)
EVOO? (Kevin, starting an “oil” debate? :-). )
But you get what you pay for…yes.
Caveat emptor, indeed!!!
.tom
On Jul 13, 2024, at 3:30 AM, ducati-request@list.ducati.net wrote:
You're asking the wrong question. Do you think anchovies belong on a pizza? is the proper question, to which the correct answer is: only if you don't like anchovies or have never had a good and properly prepared one.
I used to avoid anchovies like COVID (do I get credit for a new expression here?). Then I had a plate of fresh anchovies, perfectly prepared and served with a nice bath of good olive oil (and that's another topic). I saw the light, and now eat them frequently, is similar preparations.
To put this delicacy on top of a pizza, where its wonderful flavor is swamped by that of dough, tomato sauce and cheese and perhaps various aromatic herbs, is, to me, bordering on sacrilege. You might has well put some slivers of really good salmon on that pizza, or maybe even some caviar.
Don't get me wrong. I like pizza, just as I like hot dogs, or mac and cheese, neither of which would I put anchovies on. Anchovies are to be eaten as a dish, preferably an appetizer, and not as part of something else.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Now, let's talk about olive oil: do you think $25 dollars is to much to spend for a half liter of olive oil?
On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 at 03:17, TomDressler <tbrduc@gmail.com mailto:tbrduc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
I know this might become like an “best oil” conversation, but i believe since its a global audience…and I've solicited a pure Italian as well, .. do y’all think pineapple belongs on a pizza?
Is it traditional?
I say.. not a chance!
I don’t want pineapple in the same room.. the same building.. as my pizza.
(Of course, i love anchovies)
😁
…Tom
Anchovies great all by themselves
Get them fresh not from some shelves
Winter Spring Summer Fall
I love anchovies best of all.
Now about that oil debate: I did not think much about olive oil, until a
friend gave me the book "Extra Virginity."(highly recommended) Inspired, I
then convinced the same friend to spend a decent sum for a bottle of really
fancy olive oil. I was totally converted. I now have three olive oils in my
kitchen. One lesser oil for cooking and two good ones for tasting, one with
picual olives and another with arbequina olives. And, I do spend about $25
each for half a liter; worth every penny.
[image: OliveOIls.jpg]
On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 at 12:56, TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
While I pretty much agree with Jim..and the others, that PINEAPPLE just
doesn’t belong on pizza, I think it’s also not at all TRADITIONAL.
Now, anchovies are a different matter.
They cone primarily from California coast and Mediterranean…Greece and
Italy.
I live outside of DC and used to have to go to great lengths to get fresh
ones..not the packed in brine nasties.
However, now, I can’t get them fresh, unless I buy a 5 gallon bucket
full…and even those, I’m not sure about. It’s from a restaurant supply
house, so one must have a business license to order/purchase.
I’ve had to settle for a source of frozen, by the pound, but not pack in
brine…but the place does have great and white anchovies.
The brine/salt is what ruins them.
Anchovies are traditional and may be eaten with aplomb…from a plate..or a
bowl…on eggs…in a box, with a fox….
Oh, wait…I got off track.
Anyway….ok…so far..pineapple ain’t an Italian thing…at least for pizza.
I know we have at least one full Italian on this list…likely more.
Gianni Zanini…waiting to hear him weigh in.
Thanks for the responses.
I’ll print them out and use them in my next argument.
:-)
EVOO? (Kevin, starting an “oil” debate? :-). )
But you get what you pay for…yes.
Caveat emptor, indeed!!!
.tom
On Jul 13, 2024, at 3:30 AM, ducati-request@list.ducati.net wrote:
You're asking the wrong question. Do you think anchovies belong on a
pizza? is the proper question, to which the correct answer is: only if you
don't like anchovies or have never had a good and properly prepared one.
I used to avoid anchovies like COVID (do I get credit for a new expression
here?). Then I had a plate of fresh anchovies, perfectly prepared and
served with a nice bath of good olive oil (and that's another topic). I saw
the light, and now eat them frequently, is similar preparations.
To put this delicacy on top of a pizza, where its wonderful flavor is
swamped by that of dough, tomato sauce and cheese and perhaps various
aromatic herbs, is, to me, bordering on sacrilege. You might has well put
some slivers of really good salmon on that pizza, or maybe even some caviar.
Don't get me wrong. I like pizza, just as I like hot dogs, or mac and
cheese, neither of which would I put anchovies on. Anchovies are to be
eaten as a dish, preferably an appetizer, and not as part of something else.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Now, let's talk about olive oil:
do you think $25 dollars is to much to spend for a half liter of olive oil?
On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 at 03:17, TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all,
I know this might become like an “best oil” conversation, but i believe
since its a global audience…and I've solicited a pure Italian as well, ..
do y’all think pineapple belongs on a pizza?
Is it traditional?
I say.. not a chance!
I don’t want pineapple in the same room.. the same building.. as my pizza.
(Of course, i love anchovies)
😁
…Tom
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Tom,
I will not argue either for or against pineapple on a pizza. However, your
argument seems to contain a fallacy. What we in the good, old USA call
pizza has only the name and maybe the dough from Italian origins.
The rest of the food is a 100% American invention/concoction, and,
therefore, can include non-Italian ingredients. The actual Italians I have
met refer to Pizza as American food. The last I heard Hawaii is still part
of this country and so pineapple would be permitted by that logic. (Note
that this is not an endorsement for same, just an explanation that it
cannot be excluded for not being Italian.)
Ken Lamm
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 06:56 TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
While I pretty much agree with Jim..and the others, that PINEAPPLE just
doesn’t belong on pizza, I think it’s also not at all TRADITIONAL.
Now, anchovies are a different matter.
They cone primarily from California coast and Mediterranean…Greece and
Italy.
I live outside of DC and used to have to go to great lengths to get fresh
ones..not the packed in brine nasties.
However, now, I can’t get them fresh, unless I buy a 5 gallon bucket
full…and even those, I’m not sure about. It’s from a restaurant supply
house, so one must have a business license to order/purchase.
I’ve had to settle for a source of frozen, by the pound, but not pack in
brine…but the place does have great and white anchovies.
The brine/salt is what ruins them.
Anchovies are traditional and may be eaten with aplomb…from a plate..or a
bowl…on eggs…in a box, with a fox….
Oh, wait…I got off track.
Anyway….ok…so far..pineapple ain’t an Italian thing…at least for pizza.
I know we have at least one full Italian on this list…likely more.
Gianni Zanini…waiting to hear him weigh in.
Thanks for the responses.
I’ll print them out and use them in my next argument.
:-)
EVOO? (Kevin, starting an “oil” debate? :-). )
But you get what you pay for…yes.
Caveat emptor, indeed!!!
.tom
On Jul 13, 2024, at 3:30 AM, ducati-request@list.ducati.net wrote:
You're asking the wrong question. Do you think anchovies belong on a
pizza? is the proper question, to which the correct answer is: only if you
don't like anchovies or have never had a good and properly prepared one.
I used to avoid anchovies like COVID (do I get credit for a new expression
here?). Then I had a plate of fresh anchovies, perfectly prepared and
served with a nice bath of good olive oil (and that's another topic). I saw
the light, and now eat them frequently, is similar preparations.
To put this delicacy on top of a pizza, where its wonderful flavor is
swamped by that of dough, tomato sauce and cheese and perhaps various
aromatic herbs, is, to me, bordering on sacrilege. You might has well put
some slivers of really good salmon on that pizza, or maybe even some caviar.
Don't get me wrong. I like pizza, just as I like hot dogs, or mac and
cheese, neither of which would I put anchovies on. Anchovies are to be
eaten as a dish, preferably an appetizer, and not as part of something else.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Now, let's talk about olive oil:
do you think $25 dollars is to much to spend for a half liter of olive oil?
On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 at 03:17, TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all,
I know this might become like an “best oil” conversation, but i believe
since its a global audience…and I've solicited a pure Italian as well, ..
do y’all think pineapple belongs on a pizza?
Is it traditional?
I say.. not a chance!
I don’t want pineapple in the same room.. the same building.. as my pizza.
(Of course, i love anchovies)
😁
…Tom
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Having been to Italy a handful of times, if “pizza” is American they sure have a lot of it over there.
On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Kenneth Lamm <kmlamm@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom,
I will not argue either for or against pineapple on a pizza. However, your argument seems to contain a fallacy. What we in the good, old USA call pizza has only the name and maybe the dough from Italian origins.
The rest of the food is a 100% American invention/concoction, and, therefore, can include non-Italian ingredients. The actual Italians I have met refer to Pizza as American food. The last I heard Hawaii is still part of this country and so pineapple would be permitted by that logic. (Note that this is not an endorsement for same, just an explanation that it cannot be excluded for not being Italian.)
Ken Lamm
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 06:56 TomDressler <tbrduc@gmail.com> wrote:
While I pretty much agree with Jim..and the others, that PINEAPPLE just doesn’t belong on pizza, I think it’s also not at all TRADITIONAL.Now, anchovies are a different matter.
They cone primarily from California coast and Mediterranean…Greece and Italy.
I live outside of DC and used to have to go to great lengths to get fresh ones..not the packed in brine nasties.
However, now, I can’t get them fresh, unless I buy a 5 gallon bucket full…and even those, I’m not sure about. It’s from a restaurant supply house, so one must have a business license to order/purchase.
I’ve had to settle for a source of frozen, by the pound, but not pack in brine…but the place does have great and white anchovies.
The brine/salt is what ruins them.
Anchovies are traditional and may be eaten with aplomb…from a plate..or a bowl…on eggs…in a box, with a fox….
Oh, wait…I got off track.
Anyway….ok…so far..pineapple ain’t an Italian thing…at least for pizza.
I know we have at least one full Italian on this list…likely more.
Gianni Zanini…waiting to hear him weigh in.
Thanks for the responses.
I’ll print them out and use them in my next argument.
:-)
EVOO? (Kevin, starting an “oil” debate? :-). )
But you get what you pay for…yes.
Caveat emptor, indeed!!!
.tom
On Jul 13, 2024, at 3:30 AM, ducati-request@list.ducati.net wrote:
You're asking the wrong question. Do you think anchovies belong on a pizza? is the proper question, to which the correct answer is: only if you don't like anchovies or have never had a good and properly prepared one.
I used to avoid anchovies like COVID (do I get credit for a new expression here?). Then I had a plate of fresh anchovies, perfectly prepared and served with a nice bath of good olive oil (and that's another topic). I saw the light, and now eat them frequently, is similar preparations.
To put this delicacy on top of a pizza, where its wonderful flavor is swamped by that of dough, tomato sauce and cheese and perhaps various aromatic herbs, is, to me, bordering on sacrilege. You might has well put some slivers of really good salmon on that pizza, or maybe even some caviar.
Don't get me wrong. I like pizza, just as I like hot dogs, or mac and cheese, neither of which would I put anchovies on. Anchovies are to be eaten as a dish, preferably an appetizer, and not as part of something else.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Now, let's talk about olive oil: do you think $25 dollars is to much to spend for a half liter of olive oil?
On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 at 03:17, TomDressler <tbrduc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,I know this might become like an “best oil” conversation, but i believe since its a global audience…and I've solicited a pure Italian as well, .. do y’all think pineapple belongs on a pizza?
Is it traditional?
I say.. not a chance!
I don’t want pineapple in the same room.. the same building.. as my pizza.
(Of course, i love anchovies)
😁…Tom
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With a name like Pagliaroli, why would you be going to Italy?
Oops, the Eurocup final is about to start, so I have to go.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 20:33, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Having been to Italy a handful of times, if “pizza” is American they sure
have a lot of it over there.
On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Kenneth Lamm kmlamm@gmail.com wrote:
Tom,
I will not argue either for or against pineapple on a pizza. However,
your argument seems to contain a fallacy. What we in the good, old USA
call pizza has only the name and maybe the dough from Italian origins.
The rest of the food is a 100% American invention/concoction, and,
therefore, can include non-Italian ingredients. The actual Italians I have
met refer to Pizza as American food. The last I heard Hawaii is still part
of this country and so pineapple would be permitted by that logic. (Note
that this is not an endorsement for same, just an explanation that it
cannot be excluded for not being Italian.)
Ken Lamm
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 06:56 TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
While I pretty much agree with Jim..and the others, that PINEAPPLE just
doesn’t belong on pizza, I think it’s also not at all TRADITIONAL.
Now, anchovies are a different matter.
They cone primarily from California coast and Mediterranean…Greece and
Italy.
I live outside of DC and used to have to go to great lengths to get fresh
ones..not the packed in brine nasties.
However, now, I can’t get them fresh, unless I buy a 5 gallon bucket
full…and even those, I’m not sure about. It’s from a restaurant supply
house, so one must have a business license to order/purchase.
I’ve had to settle for a source of frozen, by the pound, but not pack in
brine…but the place does have great and white anchovies.
The brine/salt is what ruins them.
Anchovies are traditional and may be eaten with aplomb…from a plate..or a
bowl…on eggs…in a box, with a fox….
Oh, wait…I got off track.
Anyway….ok…so far..pineapple ain’t an Italian thing…at least for pizza.
I know we have at least one full Italian on this list…likely more.
Gianni Zanini…waiting to hear him weigh in.
Thanks for the responses.
I’ll print them out and use them in my next argument.
:-)
EVOO? (Kevin, starting an “oil” debate? :-). )
But you get what you pay for…yes.
Caveat emptor, indeed!!!
.tom
On Jul 13, 2024, at 3:30 AM, ducati-request@list.ducati.net wrote:
You're asking the wrong question. Do you think anchovies belong on a
pizza? is the proper question, to which the correct answer is: only if you
don't like anchovies or have never had a good and properly prepared one.
I used to avoid anchovies like COVID (do I get credit for a new
expression here?). Then I had a plate of fresh anchovies, perfectly
prepared and served with a nice bath of good olive oil (and that's another
topic). I saw the light, and now eat them frequently, is similar
preparations.
To put this delicacy on top of a pizza, where its wonderful flavor is
swamped by that of dough, tomato sauce and cheese and perhaps various
aromatic herbs, is, to me, bordering on sacrilege. You might has well put
some slivers of really good salmon on that pizza, or maybe even some caviar.
Don't get me wrong. I like pizza, just as I like hot dogs, or mac and
cheese, neither of which would I put anchovies on. Anchovies are to be
eaten as a dish, preferably an appetizer, and not as part of something else.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Now, let's talk about olive oil:
do you think $25 dollars is to much to spend for a half liter of olive oil?
On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 at 03:17, TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all,
I know this might become like an “best oil” conversation, but i believe
since its a global audience…and I've solicited a pure Italian as well, ..
do y’all think pineapple belongs on a pizza?
Is it traditional?
I say.. not a chance!
I don’t want pineapple in the same room.. the same building.. as my
pizza.
(Of course, i love anchovies)
😁
…Tom
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I was really just looking for you and tripped, fell into some "pizza".
Go figure.
On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 2:38 PM Kevin Kachadourian
kkachadourian@gmail.com wrote:
With a name like Pagliaroli, why would you be going to Italy?
Oops, the Eurocup final is about to start, so I have to go.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 20:33, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Having been to Italy a handful of times, if “pizza” is American they sure have a lot of it over there.
On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Kenneth Lamm kmlamm@gmail.com wrote:
Tom,
I will not argue either for or against pineapple on a pizza. However, your argument seems to contain a fallacy. What we in the good, old USA call pizza has only the name and maybe the dough from Italian origins.
The rest of the food is a 100% American invention/concoction, and, therefore, can include non-Italian ingredients. The actual Italians I have met refer to Pizza as American food. The last I heard Hawaii is still part of this country and so pineapple would be permitted by that logic. (Note that this is not an endorsement for same, just an explanation that it cannot be excluded for not being Italian.)
Ken Lamm
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 06:56 TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
While I pretty much agree with Jim..and the others, that PINEAPPLE just doesn’t belong on pizza, I think it’s also not at all TRADITIONAL.
Now, anchovies are a different matter.
They cone primarily from California coast and Mediterranean…Greece and Italy.
I live outside of DC and used to have to go to great lengths to get fresh ones..not the packed in brine nasties.
However, now, I can’t get them fresh, unless I buy a 5 gallon bucket full…and even those, I’m not sure about. It’s from a restaurant supply house, so one must have a business license to order/purchase.
I’ve had to settle for a source of frozen, by the pound, but not pack in brine…but the place does have great and white anchovies.
The brine/salt is what ruins them.
Anchovies are traditional and may be eaten with aplomb…from a plate..or a bowl…on eggs…in a box, with a fox….
Oh, wait…I got off track.
Anyway….ok…so far..pineapple ain’t an Italian thing…at least for pizza.
I know we have at least one full Italian on this list…likely more.
Gianni Zanini…waiting to hear him weigh in.
Thanks for the responses.
I’ll print them out and use them in my next argument.
:-)
EVOO? (Kevin, starting an “oil” debate? :-). )
But you get what you pay for…yes.
Caveat emptor, indeed!!!
.tom
On Jul 13, 2024, at 3:30 AM, ducati-request@list.ducati.net wrote:
You're asking the wrong question. Do you think anchovies belong on a pizza? is the proper question, to which the correct answer is: only if you don't like anchovies or have never had a good and properly prepared one.
I used to avoid anchovies like COVID (do I get credit for a new expression here?). Then I had a plate of fresh anchovies, perfectly prepared and served with a nice bath of good olive oil (and that's another topic). I saw the light, and now eat them frequently, is similar preparations.
To put this delicacy on top of a pizza, where its wonderful flavor is swamped by that of dough, tomato sauce and cheese and perhaps various aromatic herbs, is, to me, bordering on sacrilege. You might has well put some slivers of really good salmon on that pizza, or maybe even some caviar.
Don't get me wrong. I like pizza, just as I like hot dogs, or mac and cheese, neither of which would I put anchovies on. Anchovies are to be eaten as a dish, preferably an appetizer, and not as part of something else.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Now, let's talk about olive oil: do you think $25 dollars is to much to spend for a half liter of olive oil?
On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 at 03:17, TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all,
I know this might become like an “best oil” conversation, but i believe since its a global audience…and I've solicited a pure Italian as well, .. do y’all think pineapple belongs on a pizza?
Is it traditional?
I say.. not a chance!
I don’t want pineapple in the same room.. the same building.. as my pizza.
(Of course, i love anchovies)
😁
…Tom
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A few things my father told me that may or may not be true. His family was
from Benevento which is up in the mountains east of the Naples area so
dialects can differ.
- Pizza means pie. BTW not what my Italian English dictionary tells me.
- Back when ovens did not have thermometers timing how long something
cooked was a good induction if the oven was hot enough. So a thin piece of
dough could be thrown in and timed. Now there was this bread of sorts left
over and not wanting to be wasteful, the baker would throw a little tomato
sauce on it and give it to the poor. May not be true but it sure makes a
good story. - Italian immigrants to the US were very poor and a pizza with whatever
vegetables they could scrounge up with a little sauce and cheese made a
filling and somewhat nutritious meal.
Seeing as how most stories credit the Naples area as the origin of pizza
lends a little truth to my story. Is it true? I really don't care, it is
my story and I am stickiing to it. =/8^]
Jim
Jim Calandro
il Capo
US DESMO
www.usdesmo.com
704-843-0429
On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 2:38 PM Kevin Kachadourian kkachadourian@gmail.com
wrote:
With a name like Pagliaroli, why would you be going to Italy?
Oops, the Eurocup final is about to start, so I have to go.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 20:33, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Having been to Italy a handful of times, if “pizza” is American they sure
have a lot of it over there.
On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Kenneth Lamm kmlamm@gmail.com wrote:
Tom,
I will not argue either for or against pineapple on a pizza. However,
your argument seems to contain a fallacy. What we in the good, old USA
call pizza has only the name and maybe the dough from Italian origins.
The rest of the food is a 100% American invention/concoction, and,
therefore, can include non-Italian ingredients. The actual Italians I have
met refer to Pizza as American food. The last I heard Hawaii is still part
of this country and so pineapple would be permitted by that logic. (Note
that this is not an endorsement for same, just an explanation that it
cannot be excluded for not being Italian.)
Ken Lamm
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 06:56 TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
While I pretty much agree with Jim..and the others, that PINEAPPLE just
doesn’t belong on pizza, I think it’s also not at all TRADITIONAL.
Now, anchovies are a different matter.
They cone primarily from California coast and Mediterranean…Greece and
Italy.
I live outside of DC and used to have to go to great lengths to get
fresh ones..not the packed in brine nasties.
However, now, I can’t get them fresh, unless I buy a 5 gallon bucket
full…and even those, I’m not sure about. It’s from a restaurant supply
house, so one must have a business license to order/purchase.
I’ve had to settle for a source of frozen, by the pound, but not pack in
brine…but the place does have great and white anchovies.
The brine/salt is what ruins them.
Anchovies are traditional and may be eaten with aplomb…from a plate..or
a bowl…on eggs…in a box, with a fox….
Oh, wait…I got off track.
Anyway….ok…so far..pineapple ain’t an Italian thing…at least for pizza.
I know we have at least one full Italian on this list…likely more.
Gianni Zanini…waiting to hear him weigh in.
Thanks for the responses.
I’ll print them out and use them in my next argument.
:-)
EVOO? (Kevin, starting an “oil” debate? :-). )
But you get what you pay for…yes.
Caveat emptor, indeed!!!
.tom
On Jul 13, 2024, at 3:30 AM, ducati-request@list.ducati.net wrote:
You're asking the wrong question. Do you think anchovies belong on a
pizza? is the proper question, to which the correct answer is: only if you
don't like anchovies or have never had a good and properly prepared one.
I used to avoid anchovies like COVID (do I get credit for a new
expression here?). Then I had a plate of fresh anchovies, perfectly
prepared and served with a nice bath of good olive oil (and that's another
topic). I saw the light, and now eat them frequently, is similar
preparations.
To put this delicacy on top of a pizza, where its wonderful flavor is
swamped by that of dough, tomato sauce and cheese and perhaps various
aromatic herbs, is, to me, bordering on sacrilege. You might has well put
some slivers of really good salmon on that pizza, or maybe even some caviar.
Don't get me wrong. I like pizza, just as I like hot dogs, or mac and
cheese, neither of which would I put anchovies on. Anchovies are to be
eaten as a dish, preferably an appetizer, and not as part of something else.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Now, let's talk about olive oil:
do you think $25 dollars is to much to spend for a half liter of olive oil?
On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 at 03:17, TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all,
I know this might become like an “best oil” conversation, but i believe
since its a global audience…and I've solicited a pure Italian as well, ..
do y’all think pineapple belongs on a pizza?
Is it traditional?
I say.. not a chance!
I don’t want pineapple in the same room.. the same building.. as my
pizza.
(Of course, i love anchovies)
😁
…Tom
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True or not, I love me a good pie, hold the fish thank you!
Steve
On Sun, Jul 14, 2024, 3:19 PM James Calandro capod2t@gmail.com wrote:
A few things my father told me that may or may not be true. His family
was from Benevento which is up in the mountains east of the Naples area so
dialects can differ.
- Pizza means pie. BTW not what my Italian English dictionary tells me.
- Back when ovens did not have thermometers timing how long something
cooked was a good induction if the oven was hot enough. So a thin piece of
dough could be thrown in and timed. Now there was this bread of sorts left
over and not wanting to be wasteful, the baker would throw a little tomato
sauce on it and give it to the poor. May not be true but it sure makes a
good story. - Italian immigrants to the US were very poor and a pizza with whatever
vegetables they could scrounge up with a little sauce and cheese made a
filling and somewhat nutritious meal.
Seeing as how most stories credit the Naples area as the origin of pizza
lends a little truth to my story. Is it true? I really don't care, it is
my story and I am stickiing to it. =/8^]
Jim
Jim Calandro
il Capo
US DESMO
www.usdesmo.com
704-843-0429
On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 2:38 PM Kevin Kachadourian <
kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote:
With a name like Pagliaroli, why would you be going to Italy?
Oops, the Eurocup final is about to start, so I have to go.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 20:33, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Having been to Italy a handful of times, if “pizza” is American they
sure have a lot of it over there.
On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Kenneth Lamm kmlamm@gmail.com wrote:
Tom,
I will not argue either for or against pineapple on a pizza. However,
your argument seems to contain a fallacy. What we in the good, old USA
call pizza has only the name and maybe the dough from Italian origins.
The rest of the food is a 100% American invention/concoction, and,
therefore, can include non-Italian ingredients. The actual Italians I have
met refer to Pizza as American food. The last I heard Hawaii is still part
of this country and so pineapple would be permitted by that logic. (Note
that this is not an endorsement for same, just an explanation that it
cannot be excluded for not being Italian.)
Ken Lamm
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 06:56 TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
While I pretty much agree with Jim..and the others, that PINEAPPLE just
doesn’t belong on pizza, I think it’s also not at all TRADITIONAL.
Now, anchovies are a different matter.
They cone primarily from California coast and Mediterranean…Greece and
Italy.
I live outside of DC and used to have to go to great lengths to get
fresh ones..not the packed in brine nasties.
However, now, I can’t get them fresh, unless I buy a 5 gallon bucket
full…and even those, I’m not sure about. It’s from a restaurant supply
house, so one must have a business license to order/purchase.
I’ve had to settle for a source of frozen, by the pound, but not pack
in brine…but the place does have great and white anchovies.
The brine/salt is what ruins them.
Anchovies are traditional and may be eaten with aplomb…from a plate..or
a bowl…on eggs…in a box, with a fox….
Oh, wait…I got off track.
Anyway….ok…so far..pineapple ain’t an Italian thing…at least for pizza.
I know we have at least one full Italian on this list…likely more.
Gianni Zanini…waiting to hear him weigh in.
Thanks for the responses.
I’ll print them out and use them in my next argument.
:-)
EVOO? (Kevin, starting an “oil” debate? :-). )
But you get what you pay for…yes.
Caveat emptor, indeed!!!
.tom
On Jul 13, 2024, at 3:30 AM, ducati-request@list.ducati.net wrote:
You're asking the wrong question. Do you think anchovies belong on a
pizza? is the proper question, to which the correct answer is: only if you
don't like anchovies or have never had a good and properly prepared one.
I used to avoid anchovies like COVID (do I get credit for a new
expression here?). Then I had a plate of fresh anchovies, perfectly
prepared and served with a nice bath of good olive oil (and that's another
topic). I saw the light, and now eat them frequently, is similar
preparations.
To put this delicacy on top of a pizza, where its wonderful flavor is
swamped by that of dough, tomato sauce and cheese and perhaps various
aromatic herbs, is, to me, bordering on sacrilege. You might has well put
some slivers of really good salmon on that pizza, or maybe even some caviar.
Don't get me wrong. I like pizza, just as I like hot dogs, or mac and
cheese, neither of which would I put anchovies on. Anchovies are to be
eaten as a dish, preferably an appetizer, and not as part of something else.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Now, let's talk about olive
oil: do you think $25 dollars is to much to spend for a half liter of olive
oil?
On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 at 03:17, TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all,
I know this might become like an “best oil” conversation, but i
believe since its a global audience…and I've solicited a pure Italian as
well, .. do y’all think pineapple belongs on a pizza?
Is it traditional?
I say.. not a chance!
I don’t want pineapple in the same room.. the same building.. as my
pizza.
(Of course, i love anchovies)
😁
…Tom
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Word to the Picual on the EVOO, KK…..like you, I have a number of different
levels of oil, but the Picual is for the most discerning dishes and such.
Do any of our Italians have experience enjoying/making Bagna Cauda? I make
it from time to time (with the good EVOO). If you love good anchovies and
LOTS of garlic, this is for you
Steve
On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:35 PM scfoster1@gmail.com wrote:
True or not, I love me a good pie, hold the fish thank you!
Steve
On Sun, Jul 14, 2024, 3:19 PM James Calandro capod2t@gmail.com wrote:
A few things my father told me that may or may not be true. His family
was from Benevento which is up in the mountains east of the Naples area so
dialects can differ.
- Pizza means pie. BTW not what my Italian English dictionary tells me.
- Back when ovens did not have thermometers timing how long something
cooked was a good induction if the oven was hot enough. So a thin piece of
dough could be thrown in and timed. Now there was this bread of sorts left
over and not wanting to be wasteful, the baker would throw a little tomato
sauce on it and give it to the poor. May not be true but it sure makes a
good story. - Italian immigrants to the US were very poor and a pizza with whatever
vegetables they could scrounge up with a little sauce and cheese made a
filling and somewhat nutritious meal.
Seeing as how most stories credit the Naples area as the origin of pizza
lends a little truth to my story. Is it true? I really don't care, it is
my story and I am stickiing to it. =/8^]
Jim
Jim Calandro
il Capo
US DESMO
www.usdesmo.com
704-843-0429
On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 2:38 PM Kevin Kachadourian <
kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote:
With a name like Pagliaroli, why would you be going to Italy?
Oops, the Eurocup final is about to start, so I have to go.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 20:33, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Having been to Italy a handful of times, if “pizza” is American they
sure have a lot of it over there.
On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Kenneth Lamm kmlamm@gmail.com wrote:
Tom,
I will not argue either for or against pineapple on a pizza. However,
your argument seems to contain a fallacy. What we in the good, old USA
call pizza has only the name and maybe the dough from Italian origins.
The rest of the food is a 100% American invention/concoction, and,
therefore, can include non-Italian ingredients. The actual Italians I have
met refer to Pizza as American food. The last I heard Hawaii is still part
of this country and so pineapple would be permitted by that logic. (Note
that this is not an endorsement for same, just an explanation that it
cannot be excluded for not being Italian.)
Ken Lamm
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 06:56 TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
While I pretty much agree with Jim..and the others, that PINEAPPLE
just doesn’t belong on pizza, I think it’s also not at all TRADITIONAL.
Now, anchovies are a different matter.
They cone primarily from California coast and Mediterranean…Greece and
Italy.
I live outside of DC and used to have to go to great lengths to get
fresh ones..not the packed in brine nasties.
However, now, I can’t get them fresh, unless I buy a 5 gallon bucket
full…and even those, I’m not sure about. It’s from a restaurant supply
house, so one must have a business license to order/purchase.
I’ve had to settle for a source of frozen, by the pound, but not pack
in brine…but the place does have great and white anchovies.
The brine/salt is what ruins them.
Anchovies are traditional and may be eaten with aplomb…from a
plate..or a bowl…on eggs…in a box, with a fox….
Oh, wait…I got off track.
Anyway….ok…so far..pineapple ain’t an Italian thing…at least for pizza.
I know we have at least one full Italian on this list…likely more.
Gianni Zanini…waiting to hear him weigh in.
Thanks for the responses.
I’ll print them out and use them in my next argument.
:-)
EVOO? (Kevin, starting an “oil” debate? :-). )
But you get what you pay for…yes.
Caveat emptor, indeed!!!
.tom
On Jul 13, 2024, at 3:30 AM, ducati-request@list.ducati.net wrote:
You're asking the wrong question. Do you think anchovies belong on a
pizza? is the proper question, to which the correct answer is: only if you
don't like anchovies or have never had a good and properly prepared one.
I used to avoid anchovies like COVID (do I get credit for a new
expression here?). Then I had a plate of fresh anchovies, perfectly
prepared and served with a nice bath of good olive oil (and that's another
topic). I saw the light, and now eat them frequently, is similar
preparations.
To put this delicacy on top of a pizza, where its wonderful flavor is
swamped by that of dough, tomato sauce and cheese and perhaps various
aromatic herbs, is, to me, bordering on sacrilege. You might has well put
some slivers of really good salmon on that pizza, or maybe even some caviar.
Don't get me wrong. I like pizza, just as I like hot dogs, or mac and
cheese, neither of which would I put anchovies on. Anchovies are to be
eaten as a dish, preferably an appetizer, and not as part of something else.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Now, let's talk about olive
oil: do you think $25 dollars is to much to spend for a half liter of olive
oil?
On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 at 03:17, TomDressler tbrduc@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all,
I know this might become like an “best oil” conversation, but i
believe since its a global audience…and I've solicited a pure Italian as
well, .. do y’all think pineapple belongs on a pizza?
Is it traditional?
I say.. not a chance!
I don’t want pineapple in the same room.. the same building.. as my
pizza.
(Of course, i love anchovies)
😁
…Tom
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