Argentina MotoGP
Whining? Who's whining? Whining is "oh my gawwwwwwddd...I hate these sprint races soooooo muccchhhhhh, they're so stupppppppid."
We each have our take on it and you have yours. There you go.
Total track time maybe the same but you know (hopefully you do) that there is a WORLD of difference between practice and a race, and a sprint race at that!
Mario
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Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2023 12:33 PM
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Oh My Fricking GAWD! What a load of whining. I don’t recall anyone
complaining about World Super Bike having TWO races per race weekend. Or
spectators upset about sprints in F1. Hell, even back in the day big bore
CanAm sport car races were run in two heats on the same day.
What’s the difference between a rider being injured during practice,
qualifying or racing? The rider is still injured and the team still have to
repair/replace the bike. My understanding is that there is little difference
in total track time now versus then. The big plus is the chance for more
riders to gain (or lose) points. You don’t get anything for winning your
practice session. I know because, I won everyone practice session I was in.
Still never stood on a podium, held up a trophy or cashed a winner’s check.
the Dreamer
(a.k.a. Dreamin’ Stephen)
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Pags,
After the show it may be getting a new, bigger, engine. My son does like flat-tracking so maybe some new, different tires as well. If you're ever in San Antonio, you're more than welcome to come ride with us!
Mario
From: Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2023 12:58 PM
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Subject: [Ducati] Re: Argentina MotoGP
2 thoughts….
One, MotoGP riders get paid FAR less than basketball or football players (or F1 drivers for that matter) so risk/reward is very skewed.
Two, Mario that bike needs slicks and me and a kart track!
Pags
On Apr 4, 2023, at 1:33 PM, seven@reach.net wrote:
Oh My Fricking GAWD! What a load of whining. I don’t recall anyone
complaining about World Super Bike having TWO races per race weekend. Or
spectators upset about sprints in F1. Hell, even back in the day big bore
CanAm sport car races were run in two heats on the same day.
What’s the difference between a rider being injured during practice,
qualifying or racing? The rider is still injured and the team still have to
repair/replace the bike. My understanding is that there is little difference
in total track time now versus then. The big plus is the chance for more
riders to gain (or lose) points. You don’t get anything for winning your
practice session. I know because, I won everyone practice session I was in.
Still never stood on a podium, held up a trophy or cashed a winner’s check.
the Dreamer
(a.k.a. Dreamin’ Stephen)
Living life on the edge. Less crowded, better view.
1998 Ducati 900 SS FE, silFEr
2013 MV Agusta 675 F3, Red Molly SOLD
2011 Ducati M796, Max SOLD
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On 4/5/2023, "Mario Baroz" mariobaroz@hotmail.com wrote:
Whining? Who's whining? Whining is "oh my gawwwwwwddd...I hate these sprint
races soooooo muccchhhhhh, they're so stupppppppid."
Mario, what you wrote above is exactly how all those posts started sounding in
my head.
We each have our take on it and you have yours. There you go.
Yes, I have the right to my opinion. That doesn't make my opinion right. I
also understand that if I post my opinion I'd better be prepared to defend it.
Because you can bet your sweet bippy someone is going to fling the Flying
Fickle Finger of Fate at me for posting it.
Total track time maybe the same but you know (hopefully you do) that there is
a WORLD of difference between practice and a race, and a sprint race at that!
Yes however, you're missing the point. The reasons giving for a practice
session being better than a sprint race were:
(a)less chance of crashes and therefore injuries/crash damage
(b)data collection
(c)ability to change/test multiple setups
The first two (a & b) can still happen during a sprint race just as they are
during a full race. Only limiting factor is "c". This will force teams/riders
to use the fewer practice sessions to their best advantage. Plus, as I stated
before, crashes and injuries still happen during practice sessions.
Conversely, if the racers ride within their limits and don't do stupid sh*t
they is less chance of them crashing.
the Dreamer
(a.k.a. Dreaminâ Stephen)
Living life on the edge. Less crowded, better view.
1998 Ducati 900 SS FE, silFEr
2013 MV Agusta 675 F3, Red Molly SOLD
2011 Ducati M796, Max SOLD
yep, yep, yep, and yep, except for one thing...
In a practice session, the riders may be pushing to get the right data but if they make a mistake or something doesn't feel right, they pull up, slow down, and get out of the way. In the sprint race, not only can't they do that, they do the exact opposite....they have to push harder and take more chances so they can score those points.
So while I understand your position, and that of those that enjoy these races and think they should continue, I stand by my opinion that I don't think these are a good idea for the long term health of the sport. Or the riders and team members. Even though I enjoy watching them. Yes, I'm a hypocrite! hahahaha
oh myyyyyy gawwwwwd.....these sprint races are soooooo badddddddd.....I hate them, I hate them, I hate them (petutantly swinging my arms up and down). hahahahahahahaha....
Mario
ps. remember the 6 lap AMA/CSS club racing sprint races? Talk about aggressive moves!!!
From: seven@reach.net seven@reach.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 12:55 PM
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On 4/5/2023, "Mario Baroz" mariobaroz@hotmail.com wrote:
Whining? Who's whining? Whining is "oh my gawwwwwwddd...I hate these sprint
races soooooo muccchhhhhh, they're so stupppppppid."
Mario, what you wrote above is exactly how all those posts started sounding in
my head.
We each have our take on it and you have yours. There you go.
Yes, I have the right to my opinion. That doesn't make my opinion right. I
also understand that if I post my opinion I'd better be prepared to defend it.
Because you can bet your sweet bippy someone is going to fling the Flying
Fickle Finger of Fate at me for posting it.
Total track time maybe the same but you know (hopefully you do) that there is
a WORLD of difference between practice and a race, and a sprint race at that!
Yes however, you're missing the point. The reasons giving for a practice
session being better than a sprint race were:
(a)less chance of crashes and therefore injuries/crash damage
(b)data collection
(c)ability to change/test multiple setups
The first two (a & b) can still happen during a sprint race just as they are
during a full race. Only limiting factor is "c". This will force teams/riders
to use the fewer practice sessions to their best advantage. Plus, as I stated
before, crashes and injuries still happen during practice sessions.
Conversely, if the racers ride within their limits and don't do stupid sh*t
they is less chance of them crashing.
the Dreamer
(a.k.a. Dreamin’ Stephen)
Living life on the edge. Less crowded, better view.
1998 Ducati 900 SS FE, silFEr
2013 MV Agusta 675 F3, Red Molly SOLD
2011 Ducati M796, Max SOLD
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