[Ducati] RE: Desmosedici RR First Ride Report from Miller!!!

Sat Sep 29 09:44:07 EDT 2007

Well put Rich. I couldn't agree more. 
Vicki

In a message dated 9/29/2007 7:43:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bigredxrunner at yahoo.com writes:

I think  it misses the point, sure you could take a large number of other 
bikes and  throw everything at them and get perhaps a really special bike for 
less than  72k, but it still would not be a Ducati RR. On some level a well 
crafted bike  is an organic thing, not just a platform for parts. Or are some of 
the opinion  that a bike is simply the sum of its parts? I can tell you that is 
not a true  statement as I have personal experince spending lots of money on 
quality parts  and finding the net result not much better than the unadorned 
stock bike. I  think many of us here have been down that road a time or two. The 
hope is to  add by degree to that organic wholeness or maybe remove a awart 
or two from an  otherwise perfect form. But it aint all about parts price 
totals. I could  easily create a 72000 dollar motorcycle with little trouble...but 
what would  it be in the end. A work of art or Richs parts house. Eh, there 
may be a few  Alex's around here with the time
and the eye to creat unique works of art  in motrocycle form, but most of us 
its just about parts...we depend on the  factories talent to create the 
artwork for the most part. And Ducati does that  well I think.

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Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 6:05:39  AM
Subject: Re: [Ducati] RE: Desmosedici RR First Ride Report from  Miller!!!

There my also be other angles on this.  Perhaps  Ducati doesn't make any 
money on the hike.  A 1000 unit loss leader  might make very good 
business sence (as long as they are not loosing too  much on each one). 
Another angle may be that MCN meant "take another 200hp  platform and 
trick it out with all the best bits and maybe you would come  in under 
$72000".  Alex would definitely know about  this.

Stuart

Ets-Hokin, Gabe wrote:
> Message: 11
>  Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:25:36 -0400
> From: "Alexander M Ortner"  <aortner264789mi at comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: [Ducati] Desmosedici  RR First Ride Report from Miller!!!
> To: "'Ducati Owners Group'"  <ducati at ducati.net>
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>> That's an  interesting question, because it depends on your perspective...
>> if  you add up the parts, it's not $72,000 worth...
>>      
>
> Who wrote this line? They don't know what they're talking  about. And that 
is
> saying it as politely as possible.
>
>  Alex Ortner
> aortner at comcast.net
>  www.alexortner.com
>
>
> Nick Ienatsch said it, and then  looked over the text and gave it his okay. 
I'm not one to second-guess him. He  knows more about motorcycles and racing 
than I ever will.
>
> If  you think about it, you can take that statement two ways: one is 
Ducati's cost  of the parts. Obviously they cost less than $72,000 to purchase all 
the parts,  otherwise Ducati could not make a profit on them, no? So it has to 
cost them  less than $72k to purchase all this stuff (because Ducati actually 
makes very  few components, if any; they assemble everything from suppliers), 
and judging  from their profitability lately, there's a nice margin.
>
> The  other way to look at it is if you walked into a Ducati dealer and 
bought every  part seperately; in that case, you would pay a lot more than $72k, 
but you  would pay that much for a GSXR1000 is you bought it part-by-part as 
well,  no?
>
> I will let Nick know as politely as I can that he has no  idea what he is 
talking about.
>
> Gabe Ets-Hokin
>
>  Online Editor, Cycle World Magazine
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>  getshokin at hfmus.com
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>  
> PS: I was  going to be a snotty jerk about this until I saw your website 
and all the  amazing specials you've built...as Ali G says: "Yo, Respec'!"
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