[Ducati] Re: Spam: Ducati Digest, Vol 21, Issue 59

Mike Suranyi msuranyi at niello.com
Fri Sep 28 11:29:48 EDT 2007 

The only hole I can see in this idea is that no person working for free
(which in effect, he would be doing) will truly put their heart into it.
No passion = no wins.  Good thing Stoner's passionate, eh?

That is all...

DucMike

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To throw a wrench into the topic about Rossi and Ducati,  with the back
taxes he owes to the government.  Maybe Rossi can work out a deal where he
can ride for Ducati prior to retirement in exchange for salary.  So he would
ride for free for however long it took to pay back the money he owes the
government.  Let his big money sponsors support the racing season for the
team.  Then the company could maybe write off.  You know how company's in
America can show they lost money and not pay taxes on it?  I am not by any
means a accountant and maybe not making any since.  But you may have a idea
what direction I am trying to head in.  But anyway,  lets stay on this
championship high til Indy in 2008.  I can't wait.  The last couple of races
should be really good since the championship is over and now people are
riding to secure or keep their seats for next year.  

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> Re: Re: name that bike (Alec Moss)
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> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:09:28 -0400
> From: "easing sheets" <reduc at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [Ducati] Marchesini Wheels for 900SS
> To: ducati at ducati.net
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> Gabriel,
>
> I can't help you with the wheels, but I installed a bicycle
> computer on my 95 900 ss/sp.  It's good for 180 mph and you adjust
> the readout by tweaking the wheel diameter input.  I set mine by
> comparing to a gps, it works great.
>
> Keith
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> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:21:09 EDT
> From: Veloce916 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] Ducati's move to Bridgestone To:
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> At Laguna this year (as in the past) both GP riders showed up at a
> small dinner party for the Desmo Owners Clubs on Saturday night of
> race weekend,  in addition to the regular track and sponsor
> commitments. I believe they  also did a San Disk event on Wed. in
> Cupertino. And a signing session on Ducati Island.  The riders
> always attend a DOC dinner during the week before the  Euro rounds.
> And quite often there are gatherings at the factory for the
> workers. It's a pretty regular thing at Ducati, and was considered
> quite  important under the regime that was negotiating the contact
> at the time. I am  sure there were many considerations on both
> sides but oddly enough, it did not  purely boil down to cost on
> either side, which is a widely held assumption. Vicki
>
> In a message dated 9/27/2007 11:50:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jribaudo at csc.com writes:
>
>
> I  hope you're right Vicki...What better way to wind up his career
> than with a  Ducati/MotoGP Championship....Imagine THAT street
> party!
>
> If I remember  correctly...in his book "...What If I had never
> tried it.." (yeah...right)  He states that the Ducati team was more
> bike-focused, than rider  focused.  In other words....Yamaha was
> happier to build a bike  around HIM...while Ducati builds the best
> bike their engineers can come up  with (without rider input) and
> then expects the rider to go win on  the thing...(sadly, reminds me
> of Bayliss' last full year on Ducati's  MotoGP team :-(
> While this may be complete B.S....it did sound good in  Rossi's
> book...  -) I suppose this might allow him to take more
> responsibility and some credit for the Yamaha's success....and If
> he won on  the Ducati, it could be seen as less of a challenge,
> because their  engineering is so top notch (with less rider
> input)..  Given success  of 2007, I'm allowing myself "hindsight =
> 20/20" on that one (oh  crap...SPOILER.....SPOILER......Don't read
> this message!!!!    :-)
> He left the impression that he thought that he'd be butting heads
> with  the Ducati engineers too much about which direction to go
> with a  bike (again...could be complete crappola).
>
> Maybe...Rossi should have  entitled his book "...It's not about the
> bike..." Oh yeah...that one is  already taken  :-)
> http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Apr/triedit.htm
>
> Question on  the "time requirement" thing...I don't see where
> Loris/Casey are required  to do a lot of outside appearances....If
> the are...I missed them (or...are  they more frequent in
> Europe...so we don't hear about  them anyway??)
>
> Regards,
> Joe
> 1098s
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> Subject: Re: [Ducati] Ducati's move to Bridgestone To:
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> It was never Rossi against Stoner. Stoner came into the  picture
> later.  I heard it was Rossi's demands regarding time,  or more
> specifically, lack of it.
> You get Rossi, Rossi rides.  That's pretty much  it.  It was a
> dealbreaker. But the dream is  still to have Rossi ride a Ducati.
> And until Rossi wins the
> overall  Motogp championship on a Ducati his legacy isn't complete.
> So regardless of  how things are today it could always change
> tomorrow. IMHO Vicki
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> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:47:04 -0500
> From: "Peter Bonner" <dsi at swcp.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] Ducati's move to Bridgestone To: "Ducati
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> Money! That was clearly stated at the 2005 World President's
> meeting. No way they could afford Rossi they said, because they
> could not get enough sponsorship money to offset his salary. No
> other reason was offered at that meeting.
>
> Peter
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>> I also heard of the time equation Vicki.  You don't see Rossi
>> doing  any appearances and little adverts for Yamaha.  A lot of
>> Adverts for his
>>
> other
>> sponsors but that's all separate dosh in his pocket. But, as I
>> recall when
>>
> Ducati
>> was courting him the issue came down to cost, his salary demands
>> were way beyond Bologna's capabilities.  I forget which company
>> rep I read about
>>
> quoting
>> that at the time.
>>
>> In any case, I personally hope he Ducati doesn't get Rossi. I'm
>> happy
>>
> Ducati
>> won on their own rights with an up and coming rider.  It shows it
>> was the whole package, not just the rider, not just the bike but
>> the Team/Rider/Bike/Tires package. If it'd been Rossi this year
>> people'd be
>>
> saying  it was only
>> because of Rossi. Even now the excuses are out that Rossi lost
>> because he
>>
> was on
>> the worst bike in the paddock.  I just can't see that.  Rossi
>> didn't win because other riders/teams/manufacturers and tire
>> makers  stepped up their
>>
> game
>> this year. I personally have really enjoyed the racing  with so
>> many
>>
> different
>> riders making the podium. I'm looking forward to the last  three
>> races
>>
> being
>> even more competitive and next year too.   Exciting  times.
>>
>> JMHO,
>>
>> W
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/26/2007 7:45:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> Veloce916 at aol.com writes:
>>
>> It was  never Rossi against Stoner. Stoner came into the picture
>> later.
>>
> I
>> heard it was Rossi's demands regarding time, or more
>> specifically,  lack
>>
> of
>> it.
>> You get Rossi, Rossi rides. That's pretty much   it.  It was a
>> dealbreaker
>>
> .
>> But the dream is still to have Rossi ride a  Ducati. And until
>> Rossi wins the
>> overall Motogp championship on a  Ducati his legacy isn't
>> complete. So regardless of how things are  today it could always
>> change  tomorrow. IMHO Vicki
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:08:12 -0400
> From: TheGeek <jsgeek at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] championship shirt
> To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati at ducati.net>
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> Ya but my dealer will probably get them sometime next spring. Not
> much happens there as soon as it gets cold out.
>
> It's true that it's fruggin' ugly. But at least he gives some "idol
> worship" to Rossi on the back!
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 9/27/07, Dennis Piamonte <milarepa at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You can.  Price will be around $59.95 (Canadian) . . . $59.90
>> (U.S.?)
>>
>>
>>> From: Veloce916 at aol.com
>>> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:42:07 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [Ducati] championship shirt
>>> To: ducati at ducati.net
>>>
>>>
>>> Can't you just get it from a Canadian dealer?
>>> Vicki
>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:42:01 -0700
> From: Alec Moss <amoss at coastside.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] Re: name that bike
> To: "ducati at ducati.net" <ducati at ducati.net>
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> Commander Cody says, "I ain't never had too much fun".
>
>
> Alec
>
>
> On 9/26/07 8:07 PM, "Ted & Vicki Brisbine" <brisbine at charter.net>
> wrote:
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>> Thanks.  That was it.  295 lbs.!!!  That's got to be too much
>> fun. Ted
>>
>>
>> From: Veloce916 at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ducati] name that bike
>> To: ducati at ducati.net
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>> NCR Millona   _http://www.ncrcorse.com/ENG/team_atw__ENG.html_
>> (http://www.ncrcorse.com/ENG/team_atw__ENG.html) Vicki
>
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> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:34:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Pierre-Paul Andriani <xmetal748_016 at yahoo.com> Subject:
> [Ducati] New Monster for '08!!! To: Ducati List <ducati at ducati.net>
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> Have an eye out at Milano...
>
> Is it just me or Ducati is just on fire the days??? Woo-hoo!
>
> http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/27/a-redesigned-ducati-monster-on-
> the-way-for-08/
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> PP
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> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:31:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: HOPPER ELDRIDGE <hoppereldridge at sbcglobal.net> Subject:
> [Ducati] Mileage on B'stones... To: ducati at ducati.net
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> Peter, can't really say how many miles I ve gotten on the '020's
> but it'd be near 8k on the rears and significantly more on the
> fronts. The BT56SS's were fantastic but you can only get the BT56
> now. Have one on the front now and it barely looks worn and it's
> been on there for about a year and a half...about 10k miles.
>
> I've played with the 010's on the rear but they go away fairly fast
> but no way near as fast as the Pilots. On the front they tend to
> cup after the miles add up. Tried a Conti Force but it blistered
> and bubbled and had slow leaks when it was well worn in. Won't go
> there again!!!
>
> As to the 020's. you'll be real happy with them. I put about 8K or
> more miles per year on the Duc so mileage is more important than
> super grip and down here on the coast there are few curves that are
> of interest (well except those on the beach!). Mostly straight
> lines. When I hit the Hill Country, they do grip well. And they're
> good in the wet..as this year has well proven!
>
> Go for 'em...Hopper
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:09:45 +1000
> From: "Kerry and Brad Black" <bikeboy at alphalink.com.au> Subject:
> Re: [Ducati] Marchesini Wheels for 900SS To: "Ducati.Net"
> <ducati at ducati.net>
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> all 900ss had mechanical speedos, and i think you'll find any of
> the mag wheels offered for them will have provision at least to
> take the speedo drive ring appropriate to the size axle they were
> originally specced for.
>
> brad
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