[Ducati] Question on fuel tanks and range between fillups
Harvey Highsmith
rrgunslinger at hotmail.com
Mon Oct 1 17:50:42 EDT 2007
I get around 45 per gal on my 06 S4R but it's not broke in yet. I expect that to go down once broke in because I will probably get heavy handed syndrome.
Doc
Vero Beach
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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:16:07 +0000
Subject: [Ducati] Question on fuel tanks and range between fillups
Given the notoriously inaccurate nature of the low-fuel warning light on Ducati motorcycles, I was wondering what type of real-world range anyone has gotten on the following:
ST3, 1098s, Monster S4rs
I get furstrated having the low fuel lights (or the gauge read low on the ST3) come on at about 100 miles, yet the bikes only taking 2 gallons of gas, implying we could have gone 200 miles. Of course, I don't want to carelessly go 200 miles and run out of fuel.
So, what type of range has anyone gotten from these machines?
Thanks!
Beppe
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From: garthfw at gmail.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:40:17 -0500
Subject: [Ducati] NDC- possible carb issues with CCM? Help please
Good morning listers,
I've been having issues with my CCM supermoto lately and am asking for the
advice of the list. This CCM uses a 604cc Rotax motor with a single
dell'orto carb (at least I think that's what it is). In trying to diagnose
and solve other problems, I've replaced the coil, wire and plug. I've also
had the carb out several times. The issue now is this: in lower gears, the
motor runs fine. However, when you go full throttle (or near it) in higher
gears, where you have a long time in the gear, the engine "bucks" like it's
either starved for fuel or spark.
On Sunday, I fiddled with the air-fuel screw, going both in and out in 1/2
turn increments. There was no real change in the condition. I've also
swapped the old coil back in place to no avail.
I'm thinking there's not enough fuel in the float bowl and it's starving.
Any other hypotheses?
Thanks,
Garth
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From: bmarren at bellsouth.net
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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:23:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [Ducati] Question on fuel tanks and range between fillups
mpmenard at comcast.net wrote:
I can only speak for the ST2 but my warning light comes on
about 180-200 miles and takes just under 4 gallons at that
point. I rode to Key West two weeks ago for a 190 mile trip
and it came on at the motel at 192 miles.
Bob M
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From: ducguy at gmail.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:40:41 -0500
Subject: Re: [Ducati] Question on fuel tanks and range between fillups
I own an 2004 ST3 with the performance pipes and chip. I usually get
around 220 per tank with my warning light coming on around 160 miles
(4 gallons used).
Jay L.
On 10/1/07, Bob Marren <bmarren at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> mpmenard at comcast.net wrote:
> I can only speak for the ST2 but my warning light comes on
> about 180-200 miles and takes just under 4 gallons at that
> point. I rode to Key West two weeks ago for a 190 mile trip
> and it came on at the motel at 192 miles.
> Bob M
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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:37:18 -0500
Subject: [Ducati] Texas Hill Country Ride
Peter,
Funny you should mention a ride. I have been busy with my transfer to Houston and in desperate need of some nice Hill Country scenery. A few of us are meeting for a ride this weekend. Whiting will be a no show this time around, but we have a group of about 5-6 committed. We are staying here:
http://www.leakeyspringscabins.com/
I will be arriving late as I can't leave Houston until after a meeting ends at 3:00 Friday afternnoon. We should be riding all day Saturday on the 33X roads and maybe a little Sunday AM. Anyone is welcome to join us. Email me at tojo92 at msn.com or call me at 956-497-4044 on my cell. Most of us have similiar riding styles. Not too crazy on the top speed thing in the straights, but wicked up a bit in the twisties. Staggered, ride at your own pace type stuff with an eye on a safe, fun, ride.
Hope a few others can make it. I won't be bringing a motard this time though. Hopefully we can plan another trip to hit you roads on the way to Luckenbach. Lots of fun for sure. I'll be on the SS/SP this trip.
Staton
> Message: 5> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:38:01 -0500> From: "Peter Bonner" <dsi at swcp.com>> Subject: Re: [Ducati] Boerni...Italian style? and Hill Country ride> To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati at ducati.net>> Message-ID: <003e01c803b2$8ed75d80$ba00a8c0 at gvtc.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Boerne may be neat, but little is applying less and less :-( As you say,> GROWING!!!!> > Starting back in very early 60s, rode pretty much all limey bikes until 64> when I bought my first Ducati. Still have some limey stuff left including> some Rickman frames with running gear, no motor. For compleat bikes, I> really have just two, and they need work to get back to order. One is the> fabled Griumph (altho I guess it could have been a Treeves), which consists> of a 64 Greeves Challenger frame, compleat with rubber bushing torsion> earles front forks with the first year of the 500cc unit motor, a T100A no> less. I built that bike around 1968-70. The other bike is a BSA 500MX, the> John Banks replica thing. Had a 58 Catalina Goldie but sold it off about 15> years ago. Had a string of triumph and beezers, singles and twins, but one> of my favourites was my 49 AJS, altho it was pretty much 56 matchless and> later for motor parts.> > Hill country riding, for sure. And if we work it right, we can get Staton> Shed, John Whiting, and some of the usual suspects to come along too. Kind> of surprised old Staton hasn't gotten restless and itching for a weekend up> here, but maybe just waiting on the good weather, well its about here. Maybe> we ought to start agitating a bit and see if anybody bites. The ride you> mention, part of which is what folks call the 100 mile loop is sure lots of> fun. And John and Staton can vouch for some supermotard kinda roads that I> like to do as well. And of course there is always a visit to Luckenbach TX,> where everybody is somebody.> > Have been so cooped up with work (joys of the self employed) I have about> forgotten what a motorcycle is, but now is a good time for a> reintroduction.....> > > Peter> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "HOPPER ELDRIDGE" <hoppereldridge at sbcglobal.net>> To: <ducati at ducati.net>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 12:18 PM> Subject: [Ducati] Boerni...Italian style?> > > > Boerne is a neat l'il town but like everything else in west> Texas...GROWING! Use to stay at an inn there that was an old "town house"> for some rancher. Neat historic palce.> >> > What Brit bikes do you have? Me..mostly Commandos, Bonnies and TriBSA> triples. I do have Ray Pickerrel's Rob North BSA Rocket III and my Norman> White prepped Norton 750 Commando did some good in the early BOTT races in> England. Tony Rutter (of Duc fame and the several times Formula II Champion> back then) want to race the bike at the IOM in '84 when it was supposed to> have a Classic pre-'72 production race. That was cancelled but he was still> interested. Oh well...so close yet so far! Depending on the race, we had> three exhaust systems, two carb set-ups, two fairings and it had the Norris> quick change cam set up with three different cams. Norm and I were doing the> mental aspect of an even hotter set up (well Norm was the brains and the> majic fingers!) but the oil patch went way south and I came back to a very> depressed economy. Again...so close yet so far!> >> > We do need to do some Hill Country riding> Medina-Vanderpool-Leakey-right at Camp Wood-right at the Barksdale? split> then follow the river road (at least the olde river crossing is improved> now. Used to be slicker than sn*t on a door knob!) up onto the platueau,> turn around and repeat!> > Later! Hopper
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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:06:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [Ducati] Question on fuel tanks and range between fillups
I have an S4Rs with the Termignoni full exhaust system/ECU.
The light comes on at ~90 miles on average (during a trackday, i got the low fuel light after about 70 miles) and once it's on... you are lucky to get more than 20 miles out of it. I learned this the hard way. Even when stock, I was lucky to get more than 100 miles before seeing the light come on
Range on this bike is quite poor and the 3.6-gal. (mfr. specified capacity) is quite small. I've
never been able to get more than 3.4-gal. into it, even when emtpy
(i.e., engine no longer runs and it is time to push).
I'd also be interested in hearing what other S4Rs owners, stock or otherwise, are experiencing.
-Anthony
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From: "mpmenard at comcast.net" <mpmenard at comcast.net>
To: ducati at ducati.net
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 8:16:07 AM
Subject: [Ducati] Question on fuel tanks and range between fillups
Given the notoriously inaccurate nature of the low-fuel warning light on Ducati motorcycles, I was wondering what type of real-world range anyone has gotten on the following:
ST3, 1098s, Monster S4rs
I get furstrated having the low fuel lights (or the gauge read low on the ST3) come on at about 100 miles, yet the bikes only taking 2 gallons of gas, implying we could have gone 200 miles. Of course, I don't want to carelessly go 200 miles and run out of fuel.
So, what type of range has anyone gotten from these machines?
Thanks!
Beppe
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From: peterkrynicki at yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:38:50 -0700
Subject: Re: [Ducati] Question on fuel tanks and range between fillups
For my 1098s, the warning light comes on way too soon at approx 85 miles (I've been watching) If I fill it just after the light comes on I can only get about 2 gallons in it, but I hate having that light stare me in the face. I've gone about 20 - 25 more miles before a fillup after the light comes on.
Pjk
mpmenard at comcast.net wrote:
Given the notoriously inaccurate nature of the low-fuel warning light on Ducati motorcycles, I was wondering what type of real-world range anyone has gotten on the following:
ST3, 1098s, Monster S4rs
I get furstrated having the low fuel lights (or the gauge read low on the ST3) come on at about 100 miles, yet the bikes only taking 2 gallons of gas, implying we could have gone 200 miles. Of course, I don't want to carelessly go 200 miles and run out of fuel.
So, what type of range has anyone gotten from these machines?
Thanks!
Beppe
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Subject: [Ducati] 900SS mufflers
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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:15:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [Ducati] 900SS mufflers
Good afternoon:
I might be able to help you out, if you're not in too much of a hurry - I scored a replacement set of stock 'cans on ebay last Winter, and subsequently found a full titanium Akrapovic "spaghetti systen" which is awaiting installation.
The stock 'cans are just that...are you interested?
Why aren't you running with the Ferrachi 'cans, anyway???
later
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Does anyone have a set of stock mufflers for a '00 900SS they could sell me
or trade for the Fast by Ferachi Carbon units I currently am using?
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From: dsi at swcp.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:36:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [Ducati] Texas Hill Country Ride
Dang Staton,
not gonna be available this time around, other plans committing the weekend.
So maybe next time. Especially since the weather is just starting to turn
nice, actually got down to the 80's earlier this week.
How about in a few more weeks?
Maybe Hopper could travel up with you guys.
Peter
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From: "Staton Shed" <tojo92 at msn.com>
To: <ducati at ducati.net>
Cc: <tojo92 at msn.com>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:37 AM
Subject: [Ducati] Texas Hill Country Ride
>
> Peter,
>
> Funny you should mention a ride. I have been busy with my transfer to
Houston and in desperate need of some nice Hill Country scenery. A few of
us are meeting for a ride this weekend. Whiting will be a no show this
time around, but we have a group of about 5-6 committed. We are staying
here:
>
> http://www.leakeyspringscabins.com/
>
> I will be arriving late as I can't leave Houston until after a meeting
ends at 3:00 Friday afternnoon. We should be riding all day Saturday on the
33X roads and maybe a little Sunday AM. Anyone is welcome to join us.
Email me at tojo92 at msn.com or call me at 956-497-4044 on my cell. Most of
us have similiar riding styles. Not too crazy on the top speed thing in the
straights, but wicked up a bit in the twisties. Staggered, ride at your own
pace type stuff with an eye on a safe, fun, ride.
>
> Hope a few others can make it. I won't be bringing a motard this time
though. Hopefully we can plan another trip to hit you roads on the way to
Luckenbach. Lots of fun for sure. I'll be on the SS/SP this trip.
>
> Staton
>
>
> > Message: 5> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:38:01 -0500> From: "Peter Bonner"
<dsi at swcp.com>> Subject: Re: [Ducati] Boerni...Italian style? and Hill
Country ride> To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati at ducati.net>> Message-ID:
<003e01c803b2$8ed75d80$ba00a8c0 at gvtc.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"> > Boerne may be neat, but little is applying less and
less :-( As you say,> GROWING!!!!> > Starting back in very early 60s, rode
pretty much all limey bikes until 64> when I bought my first Ducati. Still
have some limey stuff left including> some Rickman frames with running gear,
no motor. For compleat bikes, I> really have just two, and they need work to
get back to order. One is the> fabled Griumph (altho I guess it could have
been a Treeves), which consists> of a 64 Greeves Challenger frame, compleat
with rubber bushing torsion> earles front forks with the first year of the
500cc unit motor, a T100A no> less. I built that bike around 1968-70. The
other bike is a BSA 500MX, the> John Banks replica thing. Had a 58 Catalina
Goldie but sold it off about 15> years ago. Had a string of triumph and
beezers, singles and twins, but one> of my favourites was my 49 AJS, altho
it was pretty much 56 matchless and> later for motor parts.> > Hill country
riding, for sure. And if we work it right, we can get Staton> Shed, John
Whiting, and some of the usual suspects to come along too. Kind> of
surprised old Staton hasn't gotten restless and itching for a weekend up>
here, but maybe just waiting on the good weather, well its about here.
Maybe> we ought to start agitating a bit and see if anybody bites. The ride
you> mention, part of which is what folks call the 100 mile loop is sure
lots of> fun. And John and Staton can vouch for some supermotard kinda roads
that I> like to do as well. And of course there is always a visit to
Luckenbach TX,> where everybody is somebody.> > Have been so cooped up with
work (joys of the self employed) I have about> forgotten what a motorcycle
is, but now is a good time for a> reintroduction.....> > > Peter> > >
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "HOPPER ELDRIDGE"
<hoppereldridge at sbcglobal.net>> To: <ducati at ducati.net>> Sent: Sunday,
September 30, 2007 12:18 PM> Subject: [Ducati] Boerni...Italian style?> > >
> Boerne is a neat l'il town but like everything else in west>
Texas...GROWING! Use to stay at an inn there that was an old "town house">
for some rancher. Neat historic palce.> >> > What Brit bikes do you have?
Me..mostly Commandos, Bonnies and TriBSA> triples. I do have Ray Pickerrel's
Rob North BSA Rocket III and my Norman> White prepped Norton 750 Commando
did some good in the early BOTT races in> England. Tony Rutter (of Duc fame
and the several times Formula II Champion> back then) want to race the bike
at the IOM in '84 when it was supposed to> have a Classic pre-'72 production
race. That was cancelled but he was still> interested. Oh well...so close
yet so far! Depending on the race, we had> three exhaust systems, two carb
set-ups, two fairings and it had the Norris> quick change cam set up with
three different cams. Norm and I were doing the> mental aspect of an even
hotter set up (well Norm was the brains and the> majic fingers!) but the oil
patch went way south and I came back to a very> depressed economy.
Again...so close yet so far!> >> > We do need to do some Hill Country
riding> Medina-Vanderpool-Leakey-right at Camp Wood-right at the Barksdale?
split> then follow the river road (at least the olde river crossing is
improved> now. Used to be slicker than sn*t on a door knob!) up onto the
platueau,> turn around and repeat!> > Later! Hopper*****
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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:33:10 -0700
Subject: [Ducati] re: who wants to buy an 848R? (alternative)
For those of us who have a little less cash, or not so grand a need for speed, but still want a tricked out "Ducati," Larry Pegram is also selling those Ducati logoed TNG scooters that the team used at the racetracks. He told me he is getting new ones this year, and so selling off the current ones. If you haven't seen them, you can see a picture at http://www.tngscooters.com/company/News/Pegram+Ducati+Aug+News/default.aspx
They are cute, and a very different way to ride a "Ducati"
I was tempted to get one (I can just see the looks it would get up at Alice's, after the two day ride to get there from Oakland), but have decided that the next 2 wheeler is going to be a electric assist bicycle (maybe I'll logo the frame and battery pack with the Ducati Corse stickers).
Kevin
---
Hello Kevin
I will be selling the scooters for
$1599 for the black ones, have 3
$1799 for the red one that has racing pipe.
Please let me know if you are interested
Thanks Larry Pegram
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Subject: [Ducati] Who want's to buy an 848R?
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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:19:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [Ducati] NDC- possible carb issues with CCM? Help please
Hmmmmm, these sorts of things can be so many causes, but my focus would be the carb, how is breather on bowl routed? how does fuel get from tank to bowl? Vacuum style petcock? Pump? Is all of that in order? When you pull carbs what do you do? I ask because I have a DRZ400SM and the slow jet has a real tendency to clog, also the original location of vaccum for petcock was sorry routing and it would pinch and you would lose vacuum to petcock erratically which will eventually cut off fuel flow. I ended up rerouting entirely and after running kehein CRs and Yosh ti pipe sold all and went back and rejetted the stock carb with much success. Do not forget slow jets have a huge imact on jetting that is often overlooked as jets somewhat overlap. a poorly chosen slow jet can cause top end issues. I saw this on a NSR 250 years ago, mains, needles nothing would correct the fact it just would not pull in high gear, it would fall flat on its face, upsized the slow jet
and miraculous recovery. Also some of these small jets are esp sensitive to the minutest of crap. I cleaned the original slow jet on the DRZ a number of times, each time it would be fine for awhile and then....same symptom. starting problematic needing excessive choke, throttle response sucks etc etc. So the point, look at carbs closely, clean them out well. granted pilot air screw can have a profound effect esp if slow jet is right size. if not the air screw will just be crap to crap or little to no effect. get it close and you will see the effect in and out. Also sometimes you have a couople of jet options, depends on how many turns of the air screw you make, esp if sizes in 2.5 increments like you find on some small jets.
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From: Garth Williams <garthfw at gmail.com>
To: Ducati List <Ducati at ducati.net>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 9:40:17 AM
Subject: [Ducati] NDC- possible carb issues with CCM? Help please
Good morning listers,
I've been having issues with my CCM supermoto lately and am asking for the
advice of the list. This CCM uses a 604cc Rotax motor with a single
dell'orto carb (at least I think that's what it is). In trying to diagnose
and solve other problems, I've replaced the coil, wire and plug. I've also
had the carb out several times. The issue now is this: in lower gears, the
motor runs fine. However, when you go full throttle (or near it) in higher
gears, where you have a long time in the gear, the engine "bucks" like it's
either starved for fuel or spark.
On Sunday, I fiddled with the air-fuel screw, going both in and out in 1/2
turn increments. There was no real change in the condition. I've also
swapped the old coil back in place to no avail.
I'm thinking there's not enough fuel in the float bowl and it's starving.
Any other hypotheses?
Thanks,
Garth
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