[Ducati] Intelligent Speed Adaptation - Big Brother in the UK

Mon Jan 15 17:53:13 EST 2007

As a retired automotive technician, Fancy for mechanic, I can tell you that 
the "Black Box" Technology potential has been around the industry for years. 
Have you talked to a Smog tech lately ?As for being selective I guess you do 
become somewhat jaded when you or your family have been a victim of these 
types of behaviours. I would personally like to have every bit of technology 
out there used to let me know where they are and what there doing. I really 
do not need to be victimized by these types of irresponsible actions and the 
"I  just dont give a damn attitude" of people that have not suffered at the 
hands of this type of mentality. Meaning the attitudes of those that 
perpetrate or have no care for the people around them. The mention of Big 
Brother seems to have us all wagging our tonques about personal freedom and 
the right to do just about what ever we think fit irregardles of the 
outcome. I believe strongly about personal freedom but not at the expanse of 
my fellow human being. You may have read more into what I wrote earlier Ken 
and I find it refreshing that we can all express our own take on any given 
issue. As far as Ducati content goes...My personal choice is to ride the 
hell outa my 11 year old Duc as often as possible, just not at the expense 
of other peoples right to be safe in the same inviroment as I. ;-}>

Peace...Ron"Desmohead"Betts 95 900 SP
I've learned that I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it!

>From: the_lammster at comcast.net
>Reply-To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati at ducati.net>
>To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati at ducati.net>
>Subject: RE: [Ducati] Intelligent Speed Adaptation - Big Brother in the UK
>Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:14:13 +0000
>
>As I read Ron's response, he is saying it is a viable technology when 
>properly applied for reasons Society deem extreme based upon a person's 
>past actions.  Ergo, my conclusion is that Ron is really for the use of the 
>technology, but he wants Society to realize he should not be burdened 
>unnecessarily by this technology.  I'm sorry, but is it crazy, or is it 
>just crazy when it applies to you?  You step on a slippery slope when you 
>begin to name exceptions.  There are several issues in the US where people 
>are willing to say, "I am for/against ______; except ________."  So what 
>they are really saying is they aren't really for or against something, just 
>partly for or against something.  This is one of the many reasons I have 
>become disenchanted with the current political bickering.  I am finding it 
>hard not to give an obvious example, but I don't want to start that 
>political discussion/ranting.
>
>The ownership of the device in the US belonging to an individual (vs. the 
>state or a third party) would make it necessary for the Police to obtain a 
>warrant with a statement of just cause to read the device otherwise it 
>would involve self-incrimination statements that are protected in our Bill 
>of Rights.  OTOH, the Florida turnpike tickets belong to the operator of 
>the turnpike (not sure if that is the State or a corporation).  How they 
>deem to use their property may incriminate someone and the owner can chose 
>to turn over their property without a warrant.  I am not sure how the State 
>manages the ticketing, but they could deputize the toll booth employees for 
>this purpose and issue the ticket as you are paying your toll.
>
>I saw a 60 Minutes article about the initial issue back when I was a 
>teenager in the 70's.  They were discussing how a car's "black box" could 
>be used to issue speeding tickets.  The article went on to discuss the 
>constitutional issues, much as I have outlined them above.  The car's 
>"black box" is a reality today.  In higher end cars with integrated GPS, 
>this is entirely possible today in the US.  For that matter, any GPS unit 
>that stores its past usage could be used.  Except for that pesky 
>Constitution (or more correctly Bill of Rights) prohibiting involuntary 
>self-incrimination the devices could be used today.
>
>Ken Lamm
>'01 750M dark
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "Ronald Betts" <ronaldebettsasalc0015 at hotmail.com>
>
> > That's just crazy. I could see a use for it on say, repeated speeding
> > violators where they endangered other people . Or use them on people who 
>are
> > repeatedly arrested for driving while intoxicated or for known gang 
>members
> > and so on....
> >
> >
> >
> > Peace...Ron"Desmohead"Betts 95 900 SP
> > I've learned that I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it!
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