[Ducati] Re: Ducati Digest, Vol 13, Issue 6

[Ronald Betts]

Ah ,Hopper, that would be Amal carb....;-}>



Peace...Ron"Desmohead"Betts 95 900 SP
I've learned that I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it!





>From: HOPPER ELDRIDGE <hoppereldridge at sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati at ducati.net>
>To: ducati at ducati.net
>Subject: [Ducati] Re: Ducati Digest, Vol 13, Issue 6
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:30:02 -0800 (PST)
>
>Wendell, knowing little or nothing about fuel injection but going by the 
>seat of the pants and from reading, sounds like your fuel map is too rich 
>through that zone. Do a plug chop as suggested earlier (use a fresh set of 
>plugs on an already warmed up bike) when you're in the middle of your 
>"rough" rpm zone. Idea is to have the engine to do as few revolutions as 
>possible after you kill the bike at speed. Kill the engine, clutch in and 
>coast to a complete stop. Pull both sets if plugs and see what they say. A 
>good Haynes manual will give you a bit of info as to what you're looking 
>for. Next you can do the same but under the more "ideal" loading and then 
>compare plug readings.
>
>   As for Champions...bet I can throw 'em further than you! Chunk 'em and 
>put some ND or NGKs of the appropriate range and style. Might open them up 
>to about .032 to .035 thou, but both exactly the same gap. The Champions 
>used to be damned good plugs but have sadly diminished in quality. Just 
>look at the electrode alignment and the "squeezed off" end of the 
>electrode...no sharp edges to fire off of.
>
>   Keep us informed!  Hopper..lets see where'd I put that olde Anal 
>carb.....
>
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>1. Re: 749 sputters and coughs passing from 4500-6800 rpm
>(Rich Roberts)
>2. Auxetic Fibres applied to motorcycle clothing (Veloce916 at aol.com)
>3. Re: 1 year old 95 SS CR (Bruce Bellm)
>4. Re: 1 year old 95 SS CR (Bruce Bellm)
>5. Re: Ducati Digest, Vol 13, Issue 4 (HOPPER ELDRIDGE)
>6. Bayliss and Hodgson (Veloce916 at aol.com)
>7. Re: 1st Time Racetrack Experiences part 7 (Thurmans)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 03:54:33 -0800 (PST)
>From: Rich Roberts
>Subject: Re: [Ducati] 749 sputters and coughs passing from 4500-6800
>rpm
>To: Ducati Owners Group
>Message-ID: <20070103115433.43837.qmail at web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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>Some say can not adjust on newer models, could be, but seems to me you 
>should still be able to check output from 3-87 degrees irregardless of what 
>ECU you have or what it does with signal. The key is to set position. In 
>past I have set em by reading at ECU or at TPS itself. At ECU can be tricky 
>for someone without shop manual. But I doubt TPS is the issue, they do not 
>move on their own, at best you could verify and maybe tweak position if it 
>needed it, which is not likely unless it hasd been moved. Rich
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Ronald Betts
>To: ducati at ducati.net
>Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2007 6:46:32 PM
>Subject: RE: [Ducati] 749 sputters and coughs passing from 4500-6800 rpm
>
>
>The TPS is a voltage varying device. It has a supply voltage, generally .5
>to 1.0 volts,and reference return back to the ECU.As far as the plugs are
>concerned , I throw away the Champions and run NGK or ND u-tip or u-groove
>in just about everything I own that is gas powered. One thing you might try
>is to clean the plugs, let the bike warm up and go for a pass. When it
>starts to cough, stop and pull the plug that is easiest to get to and look
>to see if it's black and sooty or light and dry. At least you'll get an 
>idea
>if it's fuel or ignition related. Let us know what you find
>
>
>
>Peace...Ron"Desmohead"Betts 95 900 SP
>I've learned that I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it!
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Wendell S. Martin"
> >Reply-To: Ducati Owners Group
> >To:
> >Subject: [Ducati] 749 sputters and coughs passing from 4500-6800 rpm
> >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:34:34 -0600
> >
> >
> >The bike 06' 749 is running great except for this problem. If you go
> >through this range (4500-6800) at a "slower" acceleration, it does
> >nothing wrong. But, the greater the acceleration, the greater the
> >sputtering and coughing. I have put new plugs in. By the way, I can
> >not find even a reference on Google for these RG59V champion plugs. I
> >had to resort to NGK's. Where can I buy this champion plug. I am 200
> >miles from nearest dealer. What have we to speak to on this mystery
> >sages. And please help me. Can someone please explain the theory of
> >operation of the "TPS". I know that it communicates to the ECU the
> >position of the throttle. Is it a digital device?
> >Thanks
> >Wendell
> >
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:09:50 EST
>From: Veloce916 at aol.com
>Subject: [Ducati] Auxetic Fibres applied to motorcycle clothing
>To: ducati at ducati.net
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>The potential end to all excuses to do "the right thing". :-)
>
>_http://tinyurl.com/ymb5ev_ (http://tinyurl.com/ymb5ev)
>
>
>Vicki
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>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:13:24 -0500
>From: "Bruce Bellm"
>
>Subject: Re: [Ducati] 1 year old 95 SS CR
>To: "Ducati Owners Group"
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>Now you've done it!! :) Count me in on the side of the pre-PT design
>afficionados.
>
>bruce19
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom"
>To: "Ducati Owners Group"
>Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [Ducati] 1 year old 95 SS CR
>
>
> >> The last of that breed came off the line in '98. The later SS's can't
> >> compare.
> >
> > Indeed not, as they (the later SSs) are far better bikes, and nicer
> > looking as well!
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
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>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:22:29 -0500
>From: "Bruce Bellm"
>
>Subject: Re: [Ducati] 1 year old 95 SS CR
>To: "Ducati Owners Group"
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>I've had a '97 SS/SP and a '96 SS/SP and I put 30K mi. on each. Both have
>hauled me and camping gear from CT to CO and WY. I've done 600-700 mi. days
>on these bikes in absolute comfort. Probably the best all-around bike 
>Ducati
>ever made, IMHO. And, although I don't hate the PT SS, it was his design
>that caused me to rush out and buy one of the last of the '97's.
>
>bruce19
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ronald Betts"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ducati] 1 year old 95 SS CR
>
>
> > Went for a little ride on New Years Morning with my son. He on his 05 
>999
> > and me on my 95 SP. I'll tell you this much, after a couple of hours in
> > the saddle my boy was wiped and I was ready for more. So I rode his for
> > about an hour and gave it back to him. Granted his is scary fast and
> > handles like it knows what you want, but there is a certain combination 
>of
> > that old shoe feel and familarity thats makes me glad I own the SP. I'm
> > the origanal owner and cant think of ever parting with it. Although I
> > wouldnt mind parking the new 1098 tri color in the garage to keep her
> > company...;-}>
> >
> >
> >
> > Peace...Ron"Desmohead"Betts 95 900 SP
> > I've learned that I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Veloce916 at aol.com
> >>Reply-To: Ducati Owners Group
> >>To: ducati at ducati.net
> >>Subject: Re: [Ducati] 1 year old 95 SS CR
> >>Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:56:08 EST
> >>
> >>
> >>I'm with you Rick. It may not be the most cutting edge tool anymore but
> >>a
> >>day on an "early" 900SS is like hanging out with old friends. Leaves you
> >>wondering why you don't get together with the old gang more often! :-) I
> >>do
> >>appreciate the advantages the more modern 900's have to offer but
> >>personally if I
> >>am going to ride something that uncomfortable (and unexplainably tall) 
>it
> >>needs to be a Superbike. The early 90's version does look a bit square 
>in
> >>the
> >>headlight even to me these days but it's still a classic and I prefer
> >>that look
> >>to the newer model to this day. All personal preference of course and I
> >>suppose an argument could easily be made that the BEST 900SS ever was
> >>built in
> >>1975 (the old silver and blue ones) leaving both other versions in the
> >>dust of
> >>it's escalating resale value.
> >>Vicki
> >>
> >>
> >>In a message dated 1/2/2007 9:43:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>rmichantz at uswest.net writes:
> >>
> >>What are you smoking!!! Best all around bike Ducati EVER made was the
> >>prior to 99 900's, I have owned them all and still do.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:02:59 -0800 (PST)
>From: HOPPER ELDRIDGE
>Subject: [Ducati] Re: Ducati Digest, Vol 13, Issue 4
>To: ducati at ducati.net
>Message-ID: <960253.22948.qm at web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>hey all...Happy New Year...as soon as I shake this blasted cold!
>
>Need to do some brain pickin'....tell me a website that has a parts 
>list/parts book/parts breakdown for the '96 900SS series of Ducs! Power 
>Sports Pro? site had a good listing of the bikes but they quit carrying the 
>Ducs and took the list off. Seems a lot of 2000 plus models are listed and 
>the olde bevelheads too,but the older between years are lacking.
>
>Any sources anybody? It's a whole lot easier to tell the parts man what you 
>want to get a price on for a particular part number than to have him tell 
>you what he thinks you're wanting to know and then order the wrong 
>part...ugh!!! And the nearest dealer is on the yonder side of Houston to my 
>humble abode.
>
>'preciate any help! Hopper
>
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>Today's Topics:
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>1. 748 Cam Lobe extraction (Kerry and Brad Black)
>2. Re: getting more from a 996 (Kerry and Brad Black)
>3. RE: New Years Ride! (Scott Cloninger)
>4. Re: 748 Rockers (John Filak)
>5. NDC Spam...just wondering -- Zook DRZ125L (richinelli at neo.rr.com)
>6. Re: 748 Rockers (Rich Roberts)
>7. Re: 1 year old 95 SS CR (rmichantz at uswest.net)
>8. Re: 748 Rockers (John Filak)
>9. Re: 1 year old 95 SS CR (Veloce916 at aol.com)
>10. Re: NDC Spam...just wondering -- Zook DRZ125L (Ronald Betts)
>11. Re: 1 year old 95 SS CR (Ronald Betts)
>12. Re: 1 year old 95 SS CR (Antonio Nolasco)
>
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:43:49 +1100
>From: "Kerry and Brad Black"
>Subject: [Ducati] 748 Cam Lobe extraction
>To: "Ducati.Net"
>Message-ID: <002401c72e63$45e7d610$125f543a at bradpw5kkbszbp>
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>you can pull the opening rockers pins out far enough (10mm or so) to slide 
>the rocker across and off the top of the shim and down out of the way to 
>get the cams out, without pulling them all the way out. i don't remove the 
>opening rockers because it's one of those little fiddly jobs that annoys 
>me. once the RH opening rocker is out of the way the cam will come straight 
>out. you need to turn it a little to let the closing lobes clear the 
>opening rocker on the way out, but it's very easy.
>
>we use a slidehammer to get the pins out.
>
>brad
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:47:47 +1100
>From: "Kerry and Brad Black"
>Subject: Re: [Ducati] getting more from a 996
>To: "Ducati.Net"
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>power wise the desmoquattro are all valve restricted, and it costs so much 
>to fix that it's a put off for most. plus it never increases the value of 
>the bike except to very, very few. the light wheels will help more than 
>many think with everything, but you're still 20hp short of you target with 
>std heads and cams.
>
>much better to sell.
>
>brad
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:11:09 -0500
>From: "Scott Cloninger"
>Subject: RE: [Ducati] New Years Ride!
>To: "Ducati Owners Group"
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>Fellow Listers,
>
>I hope everybody got out for at least a few miles yesterday!
>
>It's a kind of tradition that I ride on New Years Day, regardless of the 
>weather, as a matter of ceremony. It's kinda my way of welcoming in the New 
>Year and setting the tone for the year to come. However, it's rare that I'm 
>actually comfortable during my Jan. 1 jaunt! Weather in eastern Tennessee 
>was in the lower 40s (Fahrenheit) with overcast skies, but no rain and very 
>little chance of the wet stuff. I rode over the Suck (Suck Creek Mountain 
>Road) and puttered around for a while, then headed to Taco Mac and hoisted 
>a Woodpecker Amber to commemorate the day.
>
>All in all, I'll consider the day a win....regardless of the fact that my 
>team didn't make a bowl game. (It's hard to go to a bowl game with only two 
>wins....basketball season, however, is another matter! GO HEELS!!!!!!)
>
>Cheers, and Happy New Year to all,
>
>Cloner
>Chattanooga, TN
>Happy Tarheel....in Tennessee
>
>Peter Balfour said....
>
>"Today I just experienced a first...taking the Ducati out for a ride on New 
>Years day....in Ontario Canada!"
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 05:15:34 -0800 (PST)
>From: John Filak
>Subject: Re: [Ducati] 748 Rockers
>To: Ducati Owners Group
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>--- Rich Roberts wrote:
> > If interested look on Arch's site to see a
> > simple rocker shaft pulling tool ...
>
>Can you point me to that 'site?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>John Filak
>Potterstown NJ USA
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>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 09:15:12 -0500
>From: richinelli at neo.rr.com
>Subject: [Ducati] NDC Spam...just wondering -- Zook DRZ125L
>To: ducati at ducati.net
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>Tom noted..
> > Personally, I've always been the one who must be obeyed (and
>controls the
>finances).
>
>Yeahhh..thats exactly what she wants you to think...bet she has her
>own version of the story...
>
>rich l
>
>
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 06:25:18 -0800 (PST)
>From: Rich Roberts
>Subject: Re: [Ducati] 748 Rockers
>To: Ducati Owners Group
>Message-ID: <20070102142518.41335.qmail at web84215.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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>http://www.archmoto.com/rich/pics.html......whew, looks like Arch is moving 
>or redoing site so good thing I saved the old link. I have tons more stuff 
>and this is kind of old news, I think Arch put this on his site 5 years ago 
>or actually longer. Not much of what you are doing is new to many of us on 
>this list. Might also want to look at what Chris Kelly is doing on his site 
>with tutorials and the like. I do not do this for a living though I 
>sometimes think I should....but there aint much money in it. As much as I 
>know about Ducatis and working on them...I think I am likely a better 
>bicycle mechanic...meaning you want a perfect rebuild I am your man, 
>vinatge Paramounts and Raleighs being a current specialty. I have rebuilt 
>way more bicycles than motorcycles though I think the mindset transfers 
>over very well...one grain of sand or strand of hair can be felt in a 
>bicycle wheel bearing or BB. Take that approach to all your mechanics and 
>you will do well. Next to that pumping
>systems and all sorts of controls are my real work having spent over 25 
>years working in the water/wastewater utility field, a major part of that 
>Operations and Maintenance but also lots of years involved in managing 
>projects whether small or large, currently 40Mil CIP. So I have several 
>hats. But working on motorcycles and bicycles is something I have done for 
>a solid 30 years. Most of that on my own....meaning I have not had the 
>luxury of tutelage under the wing of some expert. I have lerned from lots 
>of folks, several here. This is a learning environment or can be. Lots of 
>folks know more than me and I listen and learn. The result is in 13 or so 
>years of Ducati ownership I have become close to the guy in his garage 
>expert. I may not have every fancy tool but I have done equal work in many 
>resepcts to the best of em out there. My high water mark was the only time 
>I had work done in a shop... and I took bike to BCM one winter....quite a 
>drive from Va Beach...tells you
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