[Ducati] NDC Anti harley or pro rider training?

[Michael Lemire]

Here, Here!  I am with Vicki.  I think the shirt is more of a riders training type shirt.
 
I too agree with the Ducati/BMW/Trumph folks" walk the line.
 
Not that my opinion matters but I grew up around 1%ers and I rdie a Ducati.  ;D
 
 
Michael> From: Veloce916 at aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:35:33 -0500> Subject: Re: [Ducati] NDC Anti harley or pro rider training?> To: ducati at ducati.net> > I don't see that as an anti-Harley shirt - I think it's pro rider training. > Since it's winter, and this is seemingly a yearly thread, I'd like to > address the "differences" in groups. I had a conversation just yesterday with a > friend who is immersed in the Harley scene (and she happens to be an excellent > rider) and the conversation started with "specialty bikes", specifically > Multistrada/GS/etc but soon ran to how Harley's, while excellent at what they are > built to do, (cruise) are often modified to do what they do, but worse > (lowered until they can't pull off the road, stretched until U-turns are > impossible, that sort of thing. And her response was that a huge part of the > "lifestyle" is short rides so not much skill is required to be part of the group. That > the attraction IS often the lifestyle, not the riding. Ironically, she finds > it difficult to find men who can ride with her at her skill level. (To be > fair, she is really good and might have this problem regardless of what bike > group she is hanging with) Sure there are people who do not fit this mold, are > great riders and like to ride far but here in Florida, I see a lot of this, > maybe because we have boring roads and great restaurants. :-) > However:> Combine that with something that happened to me this week - I attended a > party at the local HD store, I attend Harley stuff often because I have friends > that ride them, this was an artwork unveiling (the artist is really good, I > enjoy his work), I arrived on my Ducati to find a pure Harley crowd (as > expected) and when the server brought me 2 beers instead of one, I asked if anybody > wanted the second one since about a half beer was my limit when riding. A > guy at the table said loudly his limit is one beer every half hour. Nobody > thought that was odd. (well, except me). So the moral of this story isn't that > people might be anti-Harley (I worked for Harley this summer curating an > exhibit on the 50th anniversary of the Sportster, something I was really proud of > so no point in suggesting I am anti Harley, I would buy a K bike in an > instant). We/They just don't share the philosophy of each other's lifestyle which is > really socially based. (all motorcycle groups are socially based, we tend to > find others like minded) I think we mostly like all the bikes, we just don't > "get" each other. HD folks aren't real impressed with the "rice bikes" > either. Could be a lot of this comes from the bad behaviors in both groups - > everybody gets tarred and feathered because of the loud piped HD drunk guy and the > squid going 150 through traffic on the freeway scaring people because they > passed so close.> The one thing that in the past was generally true was that the > BMW/Ducati/Triumph guys can generally walk the line between the groups. I think that's > because we behave for the most part, or maybe because we exist in smaller > numbers so our bad eggs are harder to find, not because our bikes our "more > accepted". It all boils down to people, not bikes. Just like everywhere else in > life.> By the way - Skid, you fit in everywhere - Harley events, Ducati stuff and > even an occasional Baja VW social. That pretty much makes you the man. Or a > freak, I'm not sure. :-)> Vicki> > > In a message dated 12/31/2007 11:58:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > maquino at ihot.com writes:> > Why would anybody be "anti" any bike?> > Were all exposed to the same dangers and prejudices no matter what we ride.> > You are making judgments about people you don't know based on the brand > of motorcycle they choose.> > How does that make you different from the Harley crowd?> > pathetic> > skid> > > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)> *****> > Our newest sponsor, MC Stands, has just opened its doors! It's a motorcycle> stand superstore. Every brand, every model, 95% in stock for immediate> shipment. Whether front stands, rear stands, paddock stands, dirt bike> stands, or any kind of stand or lift, MC Stands tests, rates, and discounts> everything they sell. Check them out!> > Visit: http://mcstands.com/> _______________________________________________> Ducati mailing list> Ducati at ducati.net> http://list.ducati.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ducati> Mailto: ducatiboy at hotmail.com