[Ducati] Re: Ducati Digest, Vol 24, Issue 10
Brad Giddy
bradly at internode.on.net
Tue Dec 4 18:26:02 EST 2007
while were on the single cyclinder thing, eons ago used to do speedway with
japs and jawas on methanol etc .. wonder what they are getting out of these
today?anything that can burn a gallon of methanol in a mile sure has to have
something going for it...
brad 2002 748r
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> 1. LDC: Single Cylinder Engines (Scottie Ducati)
> 2. RE: LDC: Single Cylinder Engines (Brian Conner)
> 3. Re: LDC: Single Cylinder Engines (Scottie Ducati)
> 4. Re: Fwd: 450 Duc wanted (john b)
> 5. RE: LDC: Single Cylinder Engines (John Whiting)
> 6. Re: LDC: Single Cylinder Engines (Antonio Nolasco)
> 7. Re: LDC: Single Cylinder Engines (Tony Pagliaroli)
> 8. Re: LDC: Single Cylinder Engines (Scottie Ducati)
> 9. Re: LDC: Single Cylinder Engines (Scottie Ducati)
> 10. Re: LDC: Single Cylinder Engines (Tony Pagliaroli)
> 11. Re: LDC: Single Cylinder Engines (Scottie Ducati)
> 12. Re: LDC: Single Cylinder Engines (MS&F)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:30:03 -0500
> From: "Scottie Ducati" <scottieducati at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ducati] LDC: Single Cylinder Engines
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> I am curious, what was the horsepower of the SuperMono in race trim? I
> have
> 76 HP as quoted from Sigma Performance.
> Also curious, what (if any) single cylinder thumper engines today make
> comprable or greater power?
>
> I have found the Honda 650cc from the XR makes about 55 hp w/o its
> emissions
> system... a far cry from 75+ HP.
>
> Theoretically a modern single *could* produce over 85 rwhp in that
> displacement range... anyone know of something close to this?
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:33:02 -0700
> From: Brian Conner <bscco at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [Ducati] LDC: Single Cylinder Engines
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> Scottie,
> I believe current factory 450cc MX bikes are making in the 50hp-60hp
> range.Brian '04 Kawasaki KX 250F '93 888 SPO '92 907ie '74 Laverda SF2
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> From: "Scottie Ducati" <scottieducati at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] LDC: Single Cylinder Engines
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> I'm thinking more in the 650cc+ range.
> I know KTM's 690cc SuperDuke makes about 65 HP.... still can't touch the
> SuperMono's 75 rwhp....
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2007 2:33 PM, Brian Conner <bscco at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Scottie,
>> I believe current factory 450cc MX bikes are making in the 50hp-60hp
>> range.Brian '04 Kawasaki KX 250F '93 888 SPO '92 907ie '74 Laverda SF2
>> http://www.bc.smugmug.com
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> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:54:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: john b <nhojbdn at snet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] Fwd: 450 Duc wanted
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> thanks Ken, I forwarded your reply to Frank
> John
>
> Ken Johnson <kj at kj.brcoxmail.com> wrote: Yes, I own a 450 Mark III. May
> sell it if a good home is going to be
> provided.
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> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:01 AM
> Subject: [Ducati] Fwd: 450 Duc wanted
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>> Does anyone have any leads on such a bike? I have a friend interested.
>> thanks
>> John B
>> "I endeavor to live my life one day at a time, but lately the days have
>> been ganging up on me."
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>> John,
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>> price I'd be interested in one.2-Tall.
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> From: "John Whiting" <JVWhiting at palomaresources.com>
> Subject: RE: [Ducati] LDC: Single Cylinder Engines
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> The old Rotax single, leaned to the max with water cooled, 3 plug, twin
> cam heads, bored and stroked to 676 cc's, and cryo'd 6 sp boxes (yes,
> about $12,000 for the engine, ready to race) will make over 83 HP at the
> crank, but they are like a superbike engine with short top end lives
> requiring steady rebuilds and the bottom end is about double the life of
> the top end. Jeff Nash admitted that the only single that gave him a
> race on his Supermono was Wood's 676 racers (he built 11 single cam and
> 5 twin cam). Like an idiot, I own 2 of them. And I made one street
> legal, albeit with a Darcy built motor making maybe 65 RWHP, complete
> with a BUTTON! Did I mention the $100/month operating cost to cover the
> Loc Tite, not to mention filling replacements?
>
> John
>
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> Behalf Of Brian Conner
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:33 PM
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> Subject: RE: [Ducati] LDC: Single Cylinder Engines
>
>
> Scottie,
> I believe current factory 450cc MX bikes are making in the 50hp-60hp
> range.Brian '04 Kawasaki KX 250F '93 888 SPO '92 907ie '74 Laverda SF2
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> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:05:58 +0100
> From: "Antonio Nolasco" <anolasco at wanadoo.es>
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] LDC: Single Cylinder Engines
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> A supermono equipped with a volumentric compressor would deliver 100HP+.
> This would be a great bike.
> Regards/ Antonio
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:36 PM
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>
>> I'm thinking more in the 650cc+ range.
>> I know KTM's 690cc SuperDuke makes about 65 HP.... still can't touch the
>> SuperMono's 75 rwhp....
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2007 2:33 PM, Brian Conner <bscco at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Scottie,
>>> I believe current factory 450cc MX bikes are making in the 50hp-60hp
>>> range.Brian '04 Kawasaki KX 250F '93 888 SPO '92 907ie '74 Laverda SF2
>>> http://www.bc.smugmug.com
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> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:22:55 -0500
> From: "Tony Pagliaroli" <ajpags at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] LDC: Single Cylinder Engines
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> On Dec 4, 2007 3:05 PM, Antonio Nolasco <anolasco at wanadoo.es> wrote:
>> A supermono equipped with a volumentric compressor would deliver 100HP+.
>> This would be a great bike.
>> Regards/ Antonio
>
> And a time bomb!!!
>
> Jerry Wood still occasionally brings his (borrowed) Mono out at Loudon
> and Daytona on occasion. I fondly recall being behind that beast and
> having the power pulses hit me in the chest while staged behind him in
> the grid. Beautiful machine ridden by a fast old man.
>
> Pags
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:27:16 -0500
> From: "Scottie Ducati" <scottieducati at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] LDC: Single Cylinder Engines
> To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati at ducati.net>
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> I've seen Jerry and his mono at Loudon many times when I was racing
> LRRS....
> I may have to chat w/ him to see if I can take a look at it one of these
> days... :-)
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2007 3:22 PM, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 4, 2007 3:05 PM, Antonio Nolasco <anolasco at wanadoo.es> wrote:
>> > A supermono equipped with a volumentric compressor would deliver
>> > 100HP+.
>> > This would be a great bike.
>> > Regards/ Antonio
>>
>> And a time bomb!!!
>>
>> Jerry Wood still occasionally brings his (borrowed) Mono out at Loudon
>> and Daytona on occasion. I fondly recall being behind that beast and
>> having the power pulses hit me in the chest while staged behind him in
>> the grid. Beautiful machine ridden by a fast old man.
>>
>> Pags
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:31:08 -0500
> From: "Scottie Ducati" <scottieducati at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] LDC: Single Cylinder Engines
> To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati at ducati.net>
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> Although the new KTM 690 L4 engine (I believe it came out in 07 but is
> being
> expanded to diff. model lineups for '08) makes 65 HP stock... w/ mods, 75
> hp
> would be in the ballpark w/ a mildly tuned motor...
> http://www.webbikeworld.com/ktm/2008-ktm-stunt/
>
> What do you think?
>
> On Dec 4, 2007 3:27 PM, Scottie Ducati <scottieducati at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've seen Jerry and his mono at Loudon many times when I was racing
>> LRRS.... I may have to chat w/ him to see if I can take a look at it one
>> of
>> these days... :-)
>>
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2007 3:22 PM, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Dec 4, 2007 3:05 PM, Antonio Nolasco <anolasco at wanadoo.es> wrote:
>> > > A supermono equipped with a volumentric compressor would deliver
>> > 100HP+.
>> > > This would be a great bike.
>> > > Regards/ Antonio
>> >
>> > And a time bomb!!!
>> >
>> > Jerry Wood still occasionally brings his (borrowed) Mono out at Loudon
>> > and Daytona on occasion. I fondly recall being behind that beast and
>> > having the power pulses hit me in the chest while staged behind him in
>> > the grid. Beautiful machine ridden by a fast old man.
>> >
>> > Pags
>> >
>> > *****
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>>
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:01:53 -0500
> From: "Tony Pagliaroli" <ajpags at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] LDC: Single Cylinder Engines
> To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati at ducati.net>
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> I think we'll see dirtbikes become more and more like hybrid
> trials/bmx/motocross bikes, and we'll perhaps see enormous skateparks
> that are sized for the speed and size of those machines in the near
> future. 4 pegs, bar spins, axle grinds, etc. Heck, Pastrana hinted
> at that direction with the FMX wall ride didn't he?
>
> You heard it here first folks...and I'll be among the first on line for
> tickets.
>
> Pags
>
> On Dec 4, 2007 3:31 PM, Scottie Ducati <scottieducati at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Although the new KTM 690 L4 engine (I believe it came out in 07 but is
>> being
>> expanded to diff. model lineups for '08) makes 65 HP stock... w/ mods, 75
>> hp
>> would be in the ballpark w/ a mildly tuned motor...
>> http://www.webbikeworld.com/ktm/2008-ktm-stunt/
>>
>> What do you think?
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:04:24 -0500
> From: "Scottie Ducati" <scottieducati at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] LDC: Single Cylinder Engines
> To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati at ducati.net>
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> I'd waitin in line to watch that show :-)
>
> On Dec 4, 2007 4:01 PM, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think we'll see dirtbikes become more and more like hybrid
>> trials/bmx/motocross bikes, and we'll perhaps see enormous skateparks
>> that are sized for the speed and size of those machines in the near
>> future. 4 pegs, bar spins, axle grinds, etc. Heck, Pastrana hinted
>> at that direction with the FMX wall ride didn't he?
>>
>> You heard it here first folks...and I'll be among the first on line for
>> tickets.
>>
>> Pags
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2007 3:31 PM, Scottie Ducati <scottieducati at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Although the new KTM 690 L4 engine (I believe it came out in 07 but is
>> being
>> > expanded to diff. model lineups for '08) makes 65 HP stock... w/ mods,
>> 75 hp
>> > would be in the ballpark w/ a mildly tuned motor...
>> > http://www.webbikeworld.com/ktm/2008-ktm-stunt/
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:12:37 -0400
> From: MS&F <thebrowns at domaccess.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] LDC: Single Cylinder Engines
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> Thing with the supermono is that it has the rocker on the 2nd cylinder
> which gives perfect primary ballance, so it can rev like a twin without
> shaking itself to death. I'm surprised that no second string builders
> have run with the concept - even if Ducati does not want to continue
> with it. Imagine a 1098/2.
>
> Stuart
>
>>
>
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