[Ducati] 2002 Monster S$

Rodger Mauch rmauch at fuse.net
Mon Dec 3 14:01:26 EST 2007 

When speaking to him on the phone he stated he was the member of the  
NYC bar and I have no legal recourse because it is a "no start  
contract". I know he is trying to baffle me with bullshit and the  
only bar he is a member of is in NYC and he has been frequenting it  
to often. I have a signed bill of sale that clearly states he will  
reimburse me for the cost of the Red key replacement as a condition  
of purchase. The only issue I have is where to file and how long it  
will take. I even have him on tape saying that he will send me a red  
key that will do nothing but complete the signed agreement. The best  
part of that is I never agreed to have him send me a red key in the  
contract. I only gave him a limited time offer by email to find the  
key since the replacement cost was so high and would cause odometer  
issues on such a low miles bike. It is shysters like this guy that  
keep the courts busy. I am curious if I can claim a loss of pain and  
suffering due to the stress, threats and lies. I would bet the right  
judge would allow it.

Rodger

On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:10 PM, d888spoltd at aol.com wrote:

>
> I would expect you'd have proper legal recourse to A) get full  
> compensation should you return the bike or B) get him to fund  
> proper replacement of the electronic security system which the red  
> key is part of.? Ebay transactions are the same as any other  
> legally binding contracts and it was stated he'd find the red key.?  
> Ducati never sells the bikes without the red keys.
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> I'd pursue legal avenues, seek out an attorney and have him sent a  
> letter.? In the long run it'd be wiser for him to find the key or  
> replace the parts needed to make the bike complete.
>
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> The bike was purchased from a Multi Millionaire in New York who  
> bought the bike new in 2003. I have all the proper paperwork,  
> manuals and brochures. He kept it at his 10 million dollar mansion  
> in the Hamptons. When I went to pick it up it was in one bay of his  
> six car climate controlled garage next to a collection of four  
> vintage Jaguars. I am sure the key is somewhere in the house but  
> after over of month he hasn't provided the key or the funds to  
> replace it as he assure me he would. He now claims that the dealer  
> must not have given him the Red Key and that many Ducati's are sold  
> without them. Unfortunately I am in Ohio with the bike which makes  
> returning it tricky. It cost me a bit of money and time to rent an  
> enclosed trailer to get it. He told me he would only refund the  
> price of the bike and none of my expenses. He claims that my  
> expenses are the cost I brought on myself and not part of the  
> transaction.?
> ?
> Rodger?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rodger Mauch <rmauch at fuse.net>
> To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati at ducati.net>
> Sent: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 5:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] 2002 Monster S$
>
>
> The bike was purchased from a Multi Millionaire in New York who  
> bought the bike new in 2003. I have all the proper paperwork,  
> manuals and brochures. He kept it at his 10 million dollar mansion  
> in the Hamptons. When I went to pick it up it was in one bay of his  
> six car climate controlled garage next to a collection of four  
> vintage Jaguars. I am sure the key is somewhere in the house but  
> after over of month he hasn't provided the key or the funds to  
> replace it as he assure me he would. He now claims that the dealer  
> must not have given him the Red Key and that many Ducati's are sold  
> without them. Unfortunately I am in Ohio with the bike which makes  
> returning it tricky. It cost me a bit of money and time to rent an  
> enclosed trailer to get it. He told me he would only refund the  
> price of the bike and none of my expenses. He claims that my  
> expenses are the cost I brought on myself and not part of the  
> transaction.?
> ?
> Rodger?
> ?
> On Dec 1, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Mark Hatten wrote:?
> ?
>> Rodger, I'm parting a 2001 Monster S4, and have the Gauge Cluster,  
>> > ECU, Ignition Cylinder Gas Tank Lock, Seat Lock, Red Key, Two  
>> Black > Keys, and the Key Card all for sale as a package for $750.  
>> I'm 99% > sure they are the exact same as the 2002, but I'd check  
>> with your > dealer or another informed source to make sure.?
>> ?
>> http://www.woundedduc.net/MonsterS4.html?
>> ?
>> I agree with the other poster who noted 139 miles is incredibly  
>> low > for any bike, and certainly a six-year-old bike. Is he the >  
>> original owner? Why so few miles? Does the title and the >  
>> paperwork support this claim? Something just doesn't smell right >  
>> with this deal, IMO.?
>> ?
>> ?
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodger Mauch" <rmauch at fuse.net>?
>> To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati at ducati.net>?
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 11:22 AM?
>> Subject: [Ducati] 2002 Monster S$?
>> ?
>> ?
>>> I recently purchased a 2002 Monster S4 with only 139 miles on it.  
>>> >> Unfortunately it didn't have the red master key with it. I had  
>>> >> the owner include the statement that he would pay the  
>>> replacement >> cost for the key in the bill of sale.  
>>> Unfortunately he refused to >> pay once he found out the cost. I  
>>> have seen info on the net that >> this can be replaced for $750.  
>>> Every dealer I contact wants >> $3200. Ebay had some one that  
>>> said they could create a Black copy >> of the red key if I sent  
>>> them the Dash, ECU, and a black key. >> When I asked them if they  
>>> covered damages to the parts if they >> messed up I got no reply.  
>>> I didn't want to take the risk sending >> the parts to them. Can  
>>> anyone give me some suggestions on this.?
>>> ?
>>> Rodger?
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