[Ducati] Fw: ebay feedback
Michael Lemire
ducatiboy at hotmail.com
Sat Aug 25 09:47:41 EDT 2007
I have to chime in here as well.
The last 20 or so things I have purchase on ebay I have not recieved
feedback because I have not left it for the seller.
I have contacted each seller letting them know that I am happy with the item
and asking that they leave feedback for me, I will then leave feedback for
them.
I get alot of excuses, the most prevaleant however is that they have an
automatic return system that they cannot overide. I think this is poor
business.
If I purchase stuff on ebay I now know that I just am not gonna recieve
feedback.
Michael
>From: "Mike Suranyi" <msuranyi at niello.com>
>Reply-To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati at ducati.net>
>To: "'Ducati Owners Group'" <ducati at ducati.net>
>Subject: RE: [Ducati] Fw: ebay feedback
>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:08:11 -0700
>
>Personally, I hope there is a special place in hell for Ebay sellers who
>withhold feedback till the see what is left for them. Don't know how many
>times I've waited for my feedback to show up, only to be dissed w/nothing
>when I finally do give up & leave theirs. Too bad they can't come up with
>a
>way for you to leave feedback, which they won't receive (or see) till they
>leave something for you. Kind of a double-blind system. Then, if there's
>a
>dispute, that can be worked out later. My idea may leave a bit to be
>desired, but at least it's a start.
>
>[end rant] That is all...
>
>DucMike
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ducati-bounces at ducati.net [mailto:ducati-bounces at ducati.net] On
>Behalf
>Of Brez
>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:31 PM
>To: Ducati Owners Group
>Subject: Re: [Ducati] Fw: ebay feedback
>
>I have always disagreed with the eBay feedback system. I have complained
>to
>
>them a few times. As a buyer, once you complete payment your part in the
>transaction is over. I personally believe the seller should be forced to
>leave feedback first. Otherwise you may not leave accurate feedback in
>fear
>
>of retaliation.
>
>Brez
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Taylor" <DucatiScott at comcast.net>
>To: "Ducati List" <ducati at ducati.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 6:07 PM
>Subject: [Ducati] Fw: ebay seller alert-(with bevel content)
>
>
>I bought an NOS Pirelli MT53 off of this guy. The tire in the photo was
>beautiful and I needed one for my resto. Unfortunately the tire that
>showed
>
>up wasn't the tire in the photo. The center two rows of tread blocks
>didn't
>
>have any sipes. It looked really bizarre with these two bands of solid
>tread blocks running all the way around the center of the tire. So I told
>the guy I couldn't use the tire and wasn't happy spending a bunch of money
>on it when it wasn't the the tire in the photo, especially since his
>auction
>
>specifically instructed buyers to look at the photo. He agreed to refund
>my
>
>money including shipping. I told him I was leaving him a neutral feedback
>because of the misrepresentative photo but would explain that he had made
>it
>
>right(you can see the feedback I left, it was on 8-16 at 7:05). That's
>when
>
>he got all mad and threated retaliatory feedback because my feedback made
>it
>
>'not a positive experience' for him. You can read what transpired below.
>It's a funny argument he makes about what big favor he did for me fixing
>his
>
>own mistake, etc. Just a heads up to the list that this guy may retaliate
>with negative feedback if things don't go his way and you feel you need to
>leave less than positive feedback. I ended up having to withdraw my
>feedback to protect my own rating because I didn't trust he wouldn't leave
>me a negative and ebay won't do anything about retaliatory feedback. The
>stupid thing is that while the neutral feedback was removed from his score,
>it didn't remove the comments, and the score wasn't affected in the first
>place so I don't know what he thinks he gained. Some kind of moral
>victory,
>
>I guess. Anyway, just beware.
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>Scott,
> I do know that. That is not the point! I could have said the tire is a
>Pirelli MT53 like the ad says and if you don't like it you return it at
>your
>
>cost. Or I didn't have to look the the rest of the 2000 tire we have for a
>replacement. Or send a UPS retrun shipment lable to make it easy for you.
>That is the part that bothers me. I did go out of me way to make this as
>right as I could and still got the neutral feedback.
> So if neutral feedback is "no harm, no foul" then you woun't be bothered
>if
>
>I left you neutral right? The best way that I feel is that we both just
>don't leave feedback for this transaction. If you take back the neutral, we
>will not leave feedback.
>Thanks Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Taylor
> To: Gina Spevak
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:07 AM
> Subject: Re: NEW NOS PIRELLI MT53 TIRE 3.50-18 120114418099
>
>
> Yes, Ray, I make mistakes. But the difference is that I don't hold them
>against the other guy if he's not satisfied. If I put a photo of a Honda
>4-door Accord on ebay and sold it then delivered a two-door I wouldn't
>expect the guy I sold it to give me a positive feedback because 'they're
>both Honda Accords'. If you can't accept that using a 'stock' photo of a
>siped tire to sell an unsiped tire might possibly bring you a neutral
>feedback then we'll simply have to disagree. A positive transaction would
>have been one where I got the tire that was in the photo, not another tire
>with a different tread. ESPECIALLY when it is your own item description
>that makes SUCH A BIG DEAL about the photo being an extension of the
>description. As a buyer this transaction wasn't good, it wasn't bad, it
>was
>
>NEUTRAL. If you're honest you'll at least explain in the feedback you
>leave
>
>me that the reason it's not positive is because you're mad about my
>feedback. By the way. You do know that neutral feedbacks don't count in
>your feedback score don't you? Positive = +1, negative = -1, neutral = 0.
>They're designed to be a "no harm, no foul". I guessing you don't know
>that
>
>by how upset you are over this.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gina Spevak
> To: Scott Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: NEW NOS PIRELLI MT53 TIRE 3.50-18 120114418099
>
>
> Scott,
> Sorry but I don't agree. The tire shown in the photo was a Pirelli
>MT53
>
>as stated in the ad. Not a completely different tire as you state. It just
>didn't have the sipes in it. I don't, as others do, take a picture of every
>tire when there are more than one of the same tire to list. I did explain
>that to you. I can't say it was a positive experience and can't leave
>positive feedback for the transaction. It didn't end up good to me. As an
>honest buyer I do think the feedback you left was not correct. What I hear
>you saying is that no one should ever make any mistakes and if they do they
>should pay the price. Do you make mistakes Scott?
> I wish it didn't have to be this way as we are good sellers as or
>feedback states. 30,000 total feedback and only 14 negitives? I think that
>speaks for its self. I did put you on the non bidder list It's too bad as
>we
>
>did just buy a large lot of British Triumph BSA and Italian Ducati parts
>that will be on ebay soon.
> Thanks Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Taylor
> To: Gina Spevak
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: NEW NOS PIRELLI MT53 TIRE 3.50-18 120114418099
>
>
> Ray, I'm sorry you're not happy with the feedback I left on this
>transaction. Considering all of this happened because your item and photo
>did not match I hardly think it was bending over backwards to make things
>right for me. I consider it to be your responsibility as an honest seller
>who made a mistake. I didn't leave a neutral because it took so long to
>get
>
>a refund. I left a neutral because your photo was of a completely
>different
>
>tire. I agree that you made the outcome a good one in the end by refunding
>all of my money, and that's why I said so in your feedback. As far as the
>implied threat of leaving me an 'appropriate' feedback rating, my payment
>was made within minutes of closing the auction and I feel I was very
>understanding and patient of the whole situation. I lived up to every
>responsibility I had as a buyer so the only honest feedback for me as a
>buyer would be positive. I'm sorry if at the last minute you decide to
>turn
>
>this honest-mistake-made-good into a bad experience because you want to
>take
>
>a shot at me for leaving an honest feedback assessment.
>
> Scott
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gina Spevak
> To: Scott Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: NEW NOS PIRELLI MT53 TIRE 3.50-18 120114418099
>
>
> Hi Scott,
> Sorry about the late payment return but Gina was out of town. I
>feel we have bent over backwards to make this transaction a good one in the
>end for both of us and we still got a neutral. I looked for another tire to
>satisfy you and send a return label to make life easy for you. I guess we
>will leave the appropriate feedback also.
> Thanks Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Taylor
> To: queeng327 at lewiston.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: NEW NOS PIRELLI MT53 TIRE 3.50-18 120114418099
>
>
> I did receive the refund. Thank you. I'm going to leave a
>neutral feedback because of the incorrect photo, but will state that full
>restitution was made on the item.
>
> Scott
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: eBay Member: queeng
> To: scotttaylor2 at comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:19 PM
> Subject: NEW NOS PIRELLI MT53 TIRE 3.50-18 120114418099
>
>
>
> NEW NOS PIRELLI MT53 TIRE 3.50-18
>120114418099
>
> queengsbritishbitsandmore
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear staylo1,
>
> Scott,
> We have just sent the refund for this tire to your
>PayPal account. Please
> let us know you received this refund.
> Thank you,
> Ray & Gina
>
>
>
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