[Ducati] Re: Ducati Digest, Vol 12, Issue 60

Wed Dec 27 23:50:09 EST 2006

Damn it Art...you made me drool all over myself...again!!!

  Grins..Hopper

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Today's Topics:

1. 1098's (cedwards105)
2. Re: Breaking in (Art Ramos)
3. [mostly ndc] motogpod podcast (Jules)
4. Re: Using a tire after wreck (mike major)
5. A Dealer and a couple of 999R's (Art Ramos)
6. Re: Breaking in (Rich Roberts) (Philippe Coulon)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:24:06 -0500
From: "cedwards105" 
Subject: [Ducati] 1098's
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Anybody know the number or 1098's, 1098S's and TriColor's coming into the 
US, approximately.

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:06:53 -0700
From: "Art Ramos" 
Subject: Re: [Ducati] Breaking in
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As per Mr Martin special method, they seated in the first 30 seconds of
engine operation.
His method gave us 225psi worth of compression!!!! Something not common to a
poor sealing ring.
The materials today are so hard that the finish hone is so fine that they
seat pretty fast.
Way back in my car days 600 to 700 was common finish, for cast iron blocks
with Chrome Molly faced rings.
They too sealed in the first couple of minutes of operation, Thirty years
ago! : )

Art Ramos

2005 999R
1999 996 Mono (Frankenduc)
1999 944 SSie (Angryduc)
www.hyperpastabiker.net

On 12/26/06, Martin Philp wrote:

> When I visited the Ducati factory a couple of years ago they appeared to
> test all new bikes by putting them on a rolling road then red-lining them
> in
> every gear. I wondered at the time how that squared up with the standard
> running-in advice stated in the owners manual. Or perhaps it's done
> deliberately to quickly break in the rings etc?
>
> Martin Philp
> 1989 Ducati Paso 750
> 2000 Bimota DB4ie
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:32:54 -0800
From: "Jules" 
Subject: [Ducati] [mostly ndc] motogpod podcast
To: "'Ducati Owners Group'" 
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hey all, i put episode 72 of MotoGPod up this morning. check it out. we interviewed colin edwards, photographer andrew wheeler, and have 2 excellent pieces from David Emmett of the Kropotkin Thinks blog as well as a discussion of an indianapolis motogp round in 2008 and the 2007 entry list by yours truly.

http://www.motogpod.com

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:47:09 -0800 (PST)
From: mike major 
Subject: Re: [Ducati] Using a tire after wreck
To: Ducati Owners Group 
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Moonbeam's law...."if in doubt, throw it out". Later

Garth Williams wrote: Good evening gang,

After my, ahem, vehicular incident, I noticed that the front tire from 
the SS had liquified some of its rubber and deposited it in the grooves 
of the tire. This rubber can easily be picked out (it's gel-like), but 
I have some reservations about using the tire again. Your opinions, 
please.

Garth

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 01:53:35 -0700
From: "Art Ramos" 
Subject: [Ducati] A Dealer and a couple of 999R's
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About three months ago I added an almost new 2005 999R to my stable of
bikes.
Here's the unique story behind me acquiring the bike.
Of course along with some mods I've added to it, I've added a 57mm HPE TuBi
system.

Yes, there are photos videos of it and another 05 999R from the DucShop with
a 62.5 mm WSBK Termi system.
Sorry, no Dyno runs..........Yet!
Crank the speaker or use some headphones for the full effect.

Yep, it's another gear head moment......I think most will like.
http://www.hyperpastabiker.net/desmo/new_page_3.htm

All Ducati's should sound like this!

Art Ramos

2005 999R
1999 996 Mono (Frankenduc)
1999 944 SSie (Angryduc)
www.hyperpastabiker.net

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:44:34 +0100
From: Philippe Coulon 

Subject: [Ducati] Re: Breaking in (Rich Roberts)
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A while ago I had a (basic) class on tribology (science of contact).
One topic was breaking in, teacher opinion (and he made it clear he 
could be prooved wrong in the future).
Modern car engines are NEARLY all broken in at delivery.
Motorbikes engine not so sure....
So follow manufacturer recommendation (go slow) and at the end of break 
in period use vehicle at max speed under max load to harden the 
surfaces. This will finish break in.
Problem especially with motorbike is where to do it and it is dangerous !
One good substitute is accelerating throtlle full open and reach max RPM
You will NEVER find it in a user manual (speed the bike at 170mph with 
passager for 5 seconds to finish break in...) for fear of litigation.
One good starting point is wikipédia on the subject.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribology
I even mentions lubrification (no I am not saying you will know what 
the best oil is).
Philippe

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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 05:29:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: Rich Roberts 
> Subject: Re: [Ducati] Breaking in
> To: Ducati Owners Group 
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> Alot of that breaking in procedure went the way of CI liners. I am not sure what it takes to break in nicasil. ALOT. And modern rings are damn hard. I think way too much is made of it. I ride like I would ride taking it easy for the first 500 miles not so much for the piston rings liner but cause of all the other stuff that needs to sort of be run in. there is alot more to a motorcycle than just the lings etc. So I run it up through the gears taking it alittle easy at first for all that other stuff as well. And then go back and check everything over, Ducatis have typically had horrendous leakdown numbers even when meticulously rebuilt and making damn good horsepower. The first time I did a leakdown test I thought I had mucked something up good, only to be told commonplace by some noteworthy engine builders. Then again I would guess a Ducati is pretty hard on rings, big pistons tend to be that way. I remember back in the day Ferracci spent alot of time paying attention to
> rings. Well the point is gradually working up the rpms is as much for the whole bike as it is for rings etc. I doubt there is much you can really do to make it any better or worse fo that matter these days. Baby it and you get 105hp, ring ythe snot out of it day 1 and you get 105.3 hp or 104.7. The variation can be explained by lots of things...likely not much to do with rings. A little variation in head gasket or basegasket varying the CR just a bit could make more difference. How tight the crank is could make more difference. Rich
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Martin Philp 
> To: ducati at ducati.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 8:09:53 AM
> Subject: [Ducati] Breaking in
>
>
> When I visited the Ducati factory a couple of years ago they appeared to 
> test all new bikes by putting them on a rolling road then red-lining them in 
> every gear. I wondered at the time how that squared up with the standard 
> running-in advice stated in the owners manual. Or perhaps it's done 
> deliberately to quickly break in the rings etc?
>
> Martin Philp
> 1989 Ducati Paso 750
> 2000 Bimota DB4ie
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> 
> 

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