[Ducati] re: Jerez GP testing 800's

[Ronald Betts]

Whoa, Mikiel....I have an inquiring mind and would love to hear about "mass 
dampner" suspension. Heck, racing is over for now and it sounds interesting. 
Sorry for the thread jack......!



Peace...Ron"Desmohead"Betts 95 900 SP
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>From: "Mikiel Kingsley" <mikielk at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati at ducati.net>
>To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati at ducati.net>
>Subject: Re: [Ducati] re: Jerez GP testing 800's
>Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 18:49:30 -0800
>
>On 12/3/06, fred lindstrom <flindstrom at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>hi Alex,
>>
>>i'm in no way a student of the physics behind this...but wouldn't the
>>concept of adding ballast to the bike, create yet another issue? aren't
>>there restrictions in Formula One of where ballast can and cannot be added
>>so as not to not introduce another cornering or traction advantage? i seem
>>to recall Renault getting slapped for utilizing an auxillary fuel tank
>>design that in effect acted as ballast. maybe there's no carry over in
>>logic
>>between the four wheel and two wheel world?
>>
>>cheers,
>>
>>Fred
>
>
>It was BAR/Honda that got caught doing this.  They had an auxillary fuel
>tank inside the main fuel tank, which they didn't normally drain when the
>car was in scrutineering.  This allowed them to have the car weighed before
>the race and meet the minimum weight requirements.  Then they could burn
>that auxillary fuel during the race, essentially running the car under
>weight (if only by a few kilos).  At the last pit stop they could add 
>enough
>fuel to bring the car back above the minimum weight.  The issue wasn't the
>placement of the ballast, but that using fuel for ballast was strictly
>forbidden.
>
>What followed was quite comical.  There had been rumors for over a year 
>that
>BAR/Honda was cheating by using fuel for ballast because they had a 
>"hidden"
>fuel cell in the car which didn't appear in the car's blueprints, on
>file with the FIA.  These rumors became so persistent that the FIA actually
>put an endoscope down the throat of the fuel cell and did find a 
>compartment
>inside the main fuel tank with a capacity of 14 liters (enough for a 
>handful
>of laps at race speed for an F1 car, or about 200 miles on my Duc).  At the
>time, the FIA deemed this "extra" tank to be perfectly legal, but the 
>rumors
>didn't go away.  At the 2005 San Marino Gran Prix BAR/Honda's cars finished
>3rd and 5th.  During post-race scrutineering when ALL the fuel was drained
>from Jenson Button's car it was about 5 kilos underweight.  Automatic
>disqualification.  BAR/Honda scrambled and got data to the race stewards
>showing that despite the car being underweight after the fuel was removed,
>at no time during the race were they carrying so little fuel that they were
>under the 600 kilo limit.  The stewards accepted this and Jenson Button's
>3rd place and Takuma Sato's 5th place were reinstated.  However, the FIA
>said in no uncertain terms that BAR/Honda was cheating by running their car
>underweight, and they appealed the stewards decision.  (The stewards work
>for the FIA, so the FIA was essentially appealing its own
>ruling.)  Eventually, the FIA court of appeal found BAR/Honda not guilty of
>cheating but of "misinterpreting the rules."  They were stripped of their
>points for the race (again) and made to replace their fuel cells.
>
>Interestingly, all F1 teams have a smaller fuel tank inside a larger one
>(the smaller tank completely immerses the fuel pump and is fed by the 
>larger
>tank so that the pump always has fuel despite high cornering Gs).  Honda's
>mistake was in not normally allowing the smaller tank to drain during
>scrutineering, meaning the "dry" weight car always contained a few kilos of
>fuel, which by definition means they were using fuel for ballast.  The 
>issue
>was an awfully big hullabaloo during the 2005 season for a team that didn't
>win a single race all year.
>
>Renault had issues with the FIA during the 2006 season due to "mass damper"
>suspensions, but that's another story.
>
>-Mikiel
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